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Do we need a new Psion? This is a question that keeps popping up in various Blogs and threads, often sidetracking the main thrust of the articles.
I know that writing anything on this subject is contentious, but at least if there is a separate Blog for the topic, it might keep the argument out of other threads.
I must warn that, if tackled on this subject, I will not only plead complete ignorance regarding the entire matter, but will deny ever writing about it at all!
The Psion type unit has some ardent (fanatical?) supporters who maintain that the current crop of Handtops are all, without exception, missing the point. They maintain that the current crop of Handtops should have been made larger (and presumably thinner) and equipped with touch type (Psion) keyboards. The Flipstart has been the most severely criticised, but the OQO Model 2 and the Sony UX have also received their fare share of flack.
On the opposite side of the divide, we have another group who maintain that the current crop of Handtops, including the Flipstart, are better off being equipped with thumb keyboards. They do not want the form factor of the current units changed, unless it is to make them smaller, not larger. They opinion that the small form factor of these units makes a Psion type touch type keyboard impractical, and that, in the case of the Flipstart at least, it is in any case marginally possible to touch type on the thumb keyboard. They also make the point that it is not possible to thumb type on a Psion sized and style keyboard, therefore making it difficult to hold the unit and type. They are ardent thumb type enthusiasts who do not want a Psion type keyboard.
Then we have a third, separate group who maintain that all the current Handtops will fail and pass from this plane of existence, and that the only hope is to revive the old Psion with new specs and consign the rest to the garbage heap of history.
And finally, you have a group who believe that this whole discussion is academic, that a unit like the old Psion does not exist in modern form, and that in light of the small size of the Handtop market at present, and the consequentially small number of offerings in this arena as a result, we should adapt to what is available at present, and wait to see what arrives in the future.
(Edit - According to tnkgrl, and with a great deal of good sense I might add, there is a fifth group. They are the people who have embraced the real heir to the Psion device, the Nokia Communicator Phones, and presumably for the most part could not care less about Handtops, one way or the other)
I am not taking sides in this one, except to say that nothing decided here or anywhere else is likely to have much of an influence on the current Handtop manufacturers, but it might influence some future product still under the radar. That said, lets have a look the various facts, opinions and standpoints.
It would seem that the majority of current Handtop buyers are, at worst, resigned to the inclusion of a thumb typing type keyboard on a Handtop unit, and are prepared to use a Thumb Keyboard rather that have to carry a larger unit.
It is easy to understand the disappointment, often verging on despair and anger, of the people who have been waiting for so long for a replacement unit to take over from where their beloved Psion's left off. If you like a particular form factor, and find that it best suits your needs, and it is dropped for whatever the reasons, and you find that the original is no longer usable as technology moves on, it must be a distressing and heart breaking situation.
So why was the Psion design dropped in the first place, if so many people (?) were such ardent fans of the design? I don't know. If the Psion fans are to be believed, it was simply the dumbest decision in the history of technology. If you look at it objectively however, based on what I have been able to read up on and comments made over a period of time, The Psion unit was the type of device that was perfect for its time, but as requirements and expectations changed, it was not possible to move the basic design forward and keep it competitive, and consequentially economically viable. The mass move to colour screens, faster CPU's, larger HDD's and GUI OS's killed the Psion. The technology that existed at the time would not have permitted a competitive new model of the unit.
And of course that brings us to the core reason why any manufacturer produces any product, and stops producing that product as well. Profit!
While we would all like there to be other motives, like producing the best unit, or the perfect design etc., that is all so much bunkum. Commercial manufacturers produce items to sell, and make a profit. That's it.
So it is reasonable to say that the Psion, when it was dropped, had become uneconomical to manufacture and sell, for whatever reason, and that the manufacturer did not see a potential profit in designing and releasing a new, upgraded model.
Fast forward to the present.
The cell phone revolution has changed a great number of things. We are expected to be contactable at least a great percentage of the time. We have developed a new sub set of the English language to communicate using SMS's. We have learned to thumb type, and we expect our technology to always be with us, to name but a few.
Another factor that the cell phone revolution has introduced is the fact that the cell phone has taken over from the PC has the most owned high tech piece of equipment. A great many more people own cell phones than do PC's, which in turn still outnumber Laptops, which in turn vastly outnumber Handtops. Consequently, the younger generation, that has grown up with cell phones, see the cell phone thumb keyboard, not the Laptop or Desktop computer touch type keyboard, as the primary input device. This is to be expected as the majority of people who own cell phones have never owned or even worked on a computer.
Handtops, by definition, are computers running a desktop OS that can be held in ones hands (or hand) and worked on. This is a fuzzy definition, as it permits the possibility of devices such as tablet PC's, so I will add to the definition that they should include a keyboard of sorts. This immediately begs the question “Is a Psion type device a Handtop at all?”. I respectfully maintain that, strictly speaking, even though one could hold it in one hand and hunt and peck with the other, the answer is no, as the keyboard is a “touch type” type keyboard, so the method just described would not be the correct way to use such a unit.
Almost by definition, a Handtop would need a thumb keyboard, or at least a keyboard that permitted thumb typing of sorts.
It would seem that the current Handtop manufacturers are all in agreement with the above statement. This should come as no shock at all. If you factor in the influence that cell phones have had in the time since the last Psion was produced and the advent of the OQO, it is clear that any hand held unit that contains a keyboard would probably have a thumb keyboard as a first choice.
So where would a modern day Psion type device fit in? Would it be a UMPC? In my opinion, although there may well be many who disagree, this would not seem to be the category that would best suit a Psion type device. Again, although the specifications and requirements for a UMPC type device are different to those of a Handtop, the one overriding factor again is “hand held”.
This leaves us with the sub-notebook category of devices. This category of devices seems to be the natural home for a Psion type device.
So one can reasonably conclude that, if the Psion type device is not a Handtop, that is is not really a logical expectation that Handtop manufacturers try to produce a bastardised Handtop with a Psion type keyboard. The same can be said of UMPC's.
That leaves us asking the question: Will there be a Psion type sub-notebook?
What is the likelihood that a manufacturer is going to produce a sub-notebook that could be seen as a replacement for the Psion?
I really don't know the answer to that one. The latest attempt that came close to the Psion form factor was the Toshiba Libretto U100. It was not the greatest commercial success, and was dropped fairly fast. Previous Libretto's had done quite well in limited markets, but the Sony UX and the OQO (and now the Flipstart) seem to have diminished the market for such devices. The only really small sub-notebook that seems to have prospered is the Fujitsu P1510/1610, but I have a feeling that that is almost a unique case.
In the final analyses, as things stand at present, it would seem that, for all the desire of the hard core group of Psion fans to see a new model of this device, or a like device, the Psion is at present a dead concept. (Edit - Unless you are talking about a Nokia Communicator type phone.)
In order to see a new Psion type device on the market, one thing has to happen. A manufacturer has to be convinced that the group of people prepared to buy such a device is sufficiently large that it will be economically feasible to design and produce and then sell the unit. That may happen, or not, only time will tell, but as things stand at present, the answer is not. There is also the possibility that we may see a Psion type unit as a variant of some other design, or not. One or two UMPC designs seem to have already moved in that direction, but they are quite large.
So to answer the question, “Is a Psion type device needed?”, I would have to venture that, as things stand, the majority of manufacturers and Handtop buyers believe the answer is “No”. (Edit - Unless you are talking about a Nokia Communicator type phone.) (Edit - Or you want a sub-notebook, not a Handtop)
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tnkgrl
Well, your Psion-like device already exists: it's the Nokia E90! Let's face it: the Nokia Communicator, Symbian OS, and ARM CPU are all based on technology used in the original Psion organizers... Just like our mobile phones, the Psion got smaller and more advanced 
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GreatDane
03/21/07
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GreatDane
Hi all,
I have just seen the video on the US702W UMPC, and I immediately thought, "here is a possible Psion follow up."
03/21/07
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primaz
Great Dane,
Reading your definitions what a modern Psion really is to me is a handheld computer. I strongly see a large market for a pocket size touch type computer running a desktop OS. The real reason why Psion, HP Jornada's and similar devices went obsolete is not the form factor but the OS. MS controls the OS and when MS abandoned the HPC OS to focus on competing against Palm, those devices became obsolete due to no OS support. Psion was as many articles and people have said over and over it is one of the best hardware designs for keyboard and form factor. Their doom was to try to not only compete against the giant MS in the OS arena but also to be a hardware company. They could not keep up with the MS changes in software, etc.
A Nokia communicator is close but the keyboard while better than many PDA's is not a great touch type and the unit still uses the EPOC OS of Psion so you are not really running a device capable of desktop softwares other than what is built into the device.
The basic reality is that the mass population still prefers a touch type keyboard for inputing into any computer. All of the handtop devices are NOT devices that have a huge following currently; laptops are still the majority mobile device for computing. What most mobile laptop users would buy is a modern Psion type device as most want a basic laptop device with ability to install a handful of their prefered business softwares only available in deskto OS and they would buy the device as it would provide them more mobility. Based on your definitions this is not about handtops it is about the other larger population of laptop users, tablets, and devices where people are doing more heavy computer input etc. thus all of those users DO NOT want nor own a handtop as any thumb input is not adequate. That market drawfs the handtop total sales by a huge percentage. Thus there is a clear market.
The issue is no company has taken current technology and designed it so that it can provide a much more mobile computer that provides laptop input via a touch type keyboard yet fit into a jacket pocket. The technology and the market is clearly here. What is missing is manufacturers with insight as to what most users want. I still see many people still using Jornada 720 and 728's, old Psions but many have had to go back to laptops; they did not adopt handtops.
I am not agaist handtops but the users whom prefer a Psion type device and why so many talk about form factor issues in small mobile devices is that they want a laptop replacement. Most have been hoping that some manufacturer would finally get it right and design a useful computer that can perform like a laptop but be mobile enough to fit in your jacket pocket. Anthing built around 4" wide or smaller, 7.5" long, and 1" thick or thinner will accomplish this.
The only promising device form factor wise is the Samsung SPH P9000 just released sold currently only in Korea.
Thus this discussion should be centered not to bash handtops but the huge market potential of laptop users whom would like the same functionality in a compact size. Thus OQO, Flipstart, etc. are not in the picture at all. There are millions more laptop users than handtops and there is a large percentage of those users whom want a touch type keyboard jacket size computer like the old Psion. This is the true debate.
03/21/07
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rudra
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Yes ,I also like the US702W ,however it is said that it will be available
in 2008 !
And if 2008 date is true ,it will be a shame if they dont uppdate the cpecs ,specialy cpu.
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GreatDane
Hi rudra,
Yes, I would only consider the US702W with a much beefier CPU. Otherwise why not use my OQO Model 01+?
On the other hand, we seem to be going backwards in that regard! With the exception of the OQO Model 02 and the Sony UX (and possibly the Flipstart), the trend seems to be towards lower powered, cheaper, lower power consumption CPU's. Look at the Samsung SPH P9000 mentioned above. A Transmeta Crusoe CPU! And most of the UMPC's are coming out with Intel 1 GHz or lower CPU's or VIA 1 to 1.2 GHz CPU's.
Possibly this will eventually be the defining feature of the UMPC design? Low powered CPU's!
Hi primaz
Some good points. At last we have some clarity about the Psion type unit from your perspective, and that is gratifying. If I am correct, then what you are saying is that you are not looking for a Handtop with a Psion type keyboard, but for a very light weight, compact sub-notebook. If this is the correct evaluation, then it puts a whole new perspective on the situation. Perhaps the question should be, "Aside from the Fujitsu P1510/1610, what are the chances of another really small, jacket pocket sized sub-notebook being produced?"
If we are talking about sub-notebooks, then I am sure that the vast majority of the members of this forum are going to be in agreement with you that a touch type keyboard is a requirement.
MS killing of the OS might have been the last straw for the Psion, but it was not by any means the only reason for its demise. At the time, the Psion was not able to make the jump from what was essentially a PDA to a sub-notebook, for a number of reasons, not least of which was that the technology was not right for such a unit at the time.
The US702W looks like what might well be an option for the Psion loving crowd. It is by no manner of means a Handtop, but it measures 198 mm x 125 mm x 26 mm (Translated 7.8" x 4.9" x 1"), which is in the size range you are looking for. By the looks of it, it will have a touch screen etc. Possibly the perfect unit?
03/22/07
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jamesmobile
I think Primaz has hit the nail on the head. I do not like thumb devices at all and have been hoping that someone would finally just make a basic laptop that will fit in my jacket pocket too! Lugging a $3K laptop in the required bag is always a hassle and a constant worry about theft. It would be so fantastic to have a touch type keyboard computer that will fit into my jacket so I do not need to carry any bags at all!
Greatdane mentioned a US702W? I'll have to do a search as that sounds promising? It is a little wide at almost 5" so I'll have to see if that is still pocket size or not.
I did own a Psion and thought they had the most ergonomic design even today. It was so slim, had nice rubber pads on the corners, very light and the keyboard was fantastic! I could type just about the same as my desktop, usually 90% of normal, for me that was about 50 wpm on the Psion. The Psion's issue was the software. Everyone uses MS so sometimes I still would need to use the desktop as they could never keep up with MS all the time. Psion should have stuck to the hardware business and not try to do both hardware and OS. I now use a Toshiba laptop and hate the size. I have tried all the PDA's and hate their thumb input. I need something that I can type reports, proposals etc. so it must have a touch type keyboard.
03/22/07
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jamesmobile
I looked at the US702W and love the design its like a small Toshiba tablet pc. I do not think it will fit into a jacket pocket? If they ever are available I'd love to see if they are narrow enough to fit into a jacket. For me that is the ideal situation so that no computer bag whatsover is required to carry it around. Still lugging my 25lb bag and laptop and hate it but must do so for work!
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GreatDane
Hi jamesmobile,
Thanks for the comments. here is to hoping that the choices in the Handtop market, sub-notebook market or UMPC market will offer you something suitable to your needs in the not to distant future.
I feel for you regards the laptop. I bought an OQO Model 01+ after almost four years of vacillation, all the while lugging big heavy laptops around, after I belatedly came to the conclusion that the OQO was never going to be my primary machine, and as such, I could afford certain compromises.
I hope that you are successful in finding the correct replacement for your laptop.
03/23/07
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jimscraft
I too have been looking for a sucessor to the Psion 5 series. The Nokia communicator series was originally a Psion design for a proposed Series 5 sucessor, but then they abandoned the market. A 7"X4"x1" closed clamshell design is a good idea, but it would need a good keyboard, like that of the Psion 5 series. The FlipStart will probably be my next purchase, but I will still look for a handtop with a nice keyboard!
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tnkgrl
*primaz*, comparing the latest Nokia E90 Communicator (running Symbian S60v3) with a Psion organizer (running EPOC) is like comparing the latest PCs running Windows Vista with decade old PCs running Windows 3.1... Sure the OS's are related, but there's a night and day difference!
03/24/07
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RichardQvS
Hi to you all,
I'm a first time visitor of this blog. Just came across this while browsing for Psion-related stuff.
As a Psioncollector from the Netherlands, I must say: "YES, we really want a new Psion!" No communicator has it, not even the new E90. It looks great and but still misses a touch screen. The combination of keyboard and touchscreen is the best you can get.
Having tried out almost every Psion (and the different Psion addapts like the Ericsson MC218 and the Geofox One) from the very first Psion Organiser One up to the Psion Series 7 / netBook, I've never come across anything greaterto work with.
Sure, like everybody I also use a PC at home, but only for the bigger screen and the faster internetconnection. But still I hope there ever will be something like a brandnew Psion with the best OS (from Sibo to Epoc; now Symbian in the most PDA/Phones) and maybe even more possibilities than they allready had. It's a pitty the Revo Conan with Bluetooth didn't hit the market. No Psion 5MX with colourscreen. But what still stands is the main thing that keeps Psionusers holding on: Instant on feature and the most stabil OS ever!
On link you can read an item on Psion Surgery. Very interesting if he succeeds in producing his own upgraded Psion 5MX. I can hardly wait to see a real one.
03/24/07
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GreatDane
Hi RichardQvS
Thanks for the nice feed back, and welcome to the fray! 
03/26/07
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GreatDane
Hi all,
Just a short time after the debate on whether their would ever be a possible contender for the title of "the next Psion", we see this link . Potentially a suitable replacement for the Psion?
03/28/07
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jamesmobile
GreatDane,
I liked that last link you provided, it looks like a nice device if it can be about 4" wide? I can not tell the width but it looks just a bit wider than 4" which may or may not enable it to be stowed on a persons larger jacket pockets? We definately need a new real keyboard computer of some type that can be small enough to carry yet large enough not to compromise the touch typing too much.
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