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02/13/06 + lironharel

-163 x 83 x 30 mm, 550 grams
-1.5GHz Via C7-M CPU (for Windows XP TabletPC Edition 2005)
-400MHz Intel XScale PXA263 CPU (for Windows Mobile 5.0)
-1GB of DDR2 RAM
-40GB hard drive (accessible by both OS. Seen as C: by XP, seen as a network drive by the PocketPC OS)
-1GB of NAND flash memory
-800x480 262k colours 5" touch-sensitive display made
-data input via a stylus or the trackstick plus the mouse buttons on the front of the computer
-headset connector, stereo headphones connector
-Compact Flash type II slot
-mini VGA port up to 1600x1200 external resolution (you may work on the external monitor with xp tablet while you work on the cPC with windows mobile), 3xUSB 2.0 ports
-speaker, microphone
-comes with a full-size stowaway keyboard
-adjustable display-angle docking system
-both OS share the same Microsoft Outlook repository (no sync needed)
-WiFi 54g

the second model would eventually integrate 3G

Other versions are on the design boards:
-a cheaper/thinner cPC using a single system-on-chip processor
-a larger cPC using a 7" display

I hope I gave you enough information

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edited: Feb 13 2006 + mensrea

550 grams = 1.21254244 pounds.

Would someone please identify for me all of the 1.2 pound [or larger] devices they routinely carry with them [on their person] and consider to be pocketable?

[Excluding any concealed weapons of course. :-). In fact, let's stick with electronics.]

Also, note that this does not include the keyboard, a necessity, or the power cord, or the phone module.

I'm not a foe of this device, but the idea that this thing is pocketable or even "ultra-portable" should by now be removed from the minds of all but the most strident of zealots.

I wish Steve and the cPC all the best, but I can't see this thing in my life, much less my pants.

02/13/06 + rr0123

Sure, it's not pocketable. But it is definitely ultraportable.

It fills a void caused by the OQO's slow processor, lack of wifi G, price, and abysmal battery life. If the OQO were to fix all of these things, there would be no competition. But until it does so, the cPc will hold appeal to those who value pocketability a lilttle less.

edited: Feb 13 2006 + mensrea

OK, but you're leaping to comparisons that I did not make. I did not mention the OQO in my post. What 1.2lb or heavier device do you carry with you all the time? How is something that can't fit in the clothing you already own, "ultra-portable?"

Here's the best definition of "ultraportible" I could find: "a PC which, from its size and its weight, can be transported easily and usable everywhere."

From the specs, particularly its weight and length and the need for external keyboards etc. for basic functionality, I simply don't think the cPC fits the bill.

In contrast, I can pull my OQO (since you brought it up) out of the pocket of any pants or jacket I own, and use it literally anywhere/everywhere. Standing, sitting, whatever. This can't be done w/out a built in keyboard. Simply put, you cannot effectively use the cPC sitting on the can, advantage OQO.

You're right though, some people will prefer the speed and dual functionality of the cPC. I just don't think it's ultra portable.

02/13/06 + rr0123

I think you are confusing mere ultraportability, with super-ultra-portability.

Just kidding. But based on the definition you provided, which seems reasonable, it seems to fall under "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

The inability to easily use on the can, I agree, is a definite minus.

02/13/06 + nivenh

just out of curiosity...

-40GB hard drive (accessible by both OS. Seen as C: by XP, seen as a network drive by the PocketPC OS)

if the HD is accessible by PocketPC as a network drive, one must assume that the drive is unavailable if XP is in standby, or off completely. does that sound reasonable or am i missing something?

bearing that in mind, what good is having PocketPC on the thing? sure its close to instant on, but if you can't access your data, what good is it? can you have XP on, and PocketPC off? How does running both at the same time affect battery life?

if you sync your data to PocketPC, and make changes or additions on the PocketPC side, do you have to then resync with XP?

how do both OS's share the same outlook repository if the XP drive is seen as a network share? that would mean XP would have to be ON and not in standby to access your outlook data from PocketPC. if you have to have XP on to do it, why have pocketPC at all? is the outlook repository on the 1GB of flash? what happens when your outlook data outgrows that? 6 mo. of email, contacts, etc in my outlook's pst file shows it with a 750mb file size, and i'm not even a business user.

i just see a whole lot of implied benefits by this combo whithout anyone mentioning the major details or downsides at all. all the real benefits seem to require XP to be running to take advantage of which makes me keep asking "why?".

edited: Feb 13 2006 + educationk12

UXGA...yippie!!! I hope this is correct! I wonder if it does 16:9 TOO, like wxga, etc. The oqo goes from xga to sxga and skips the widescreen stuff, I was trying to get it to work on a new Sony WXGA monitor and the only thing it would display was 800x600.

I sold my Stowaway keyboard and got the Freedom bluetooth thumb board. The Stowaways are bigger than the OQO...who wants to carry this around?

02/13/06 + kyone

Im not sure of the exact definition but I might pass the cPC as an ultraportable but not a handtop. I think the definition of a handtop should be: XP, no bigger then OQO, keyboard, wifi, minimum 5" screen.

educationk12 said: "I sold my Stowaway keyboard and got the Freedom bluetooth thumb board. The Stowaways are bigger than the OQO...who wants to carry this around?"

I think the stowaway is the most portable, touch type keyboard there is. You use a device like this if you can touch type, its the best solution. I only carry it with me when I am staying away from home for over 24 hrs. Its ideal. It is not something you carry with you in your pocket while just out for the day.

edited: Feb 14 2006 + Hite

"Im not sure of the exact definition but I might pass the cPC as an ultraportable but not a handtop. I think the definition of a handtop should be: XP, no bigger then OQO, keyboard, wifi, minimum 5" screen. "

this is why i find most of the opinions on this board narrowminded and rather comical. it's the same rubbish repeated over & over, "i wanna put it in my pocket or i'm ganna cry". forunately Intel, MS, and manufactures, have MUCH better vision than most of the people here.

in reality...

any desktop OS

keyboard optional (people need to learn the joys of tablet, until then their opinion is limited and uninformed. but keyboards are defintely welcomed)

screen size isnt a determining factor, 2 devices can have the same screen and be vastly different in size, go check out the super popular 12" laptop market if you dont believe me. it's all about demensions & weight

handtop means just that, any PC thats natural factor is meant to be used while held in a hand, fitting in a pocket has nothing to do with it (although some handtops will be pocketable which is great)

i'm not trying to bash you guys, but it's the same closeminded whining over & over about size. try thinking outside of your idealistic views and look at OTHER people, look at the whole market, not everybody wants to shove a PC in their pocket. now if you have to buy something that fits in your pocket, thats fine, just dont try and limit the entire genre to that. these are not fit-in-your-pocket-tops, these are handtops, and the CPC's natural factor is to be used while held in your hands, so it qualifies.

02/14/06 + fil

If you ever had a Sony U or OQO in your hand, you'll see why some of us are adamant about a handtop being pocketable.

Check out the discussion forums on Brighthand in 2002 and you'll see that many PPC owners switched from the 39xx/55xx to the 221x for the simple fact that it was pocketable...aka not a brick and could be carried everywhere.

I moved from the Sony U to the OQO because of pocketability and built-in thumboard.

Also, after having to carry the USB keyboard with the U, it made me realize that I was carrying the U in the same case as my Sony Picturebook (a subnotebook). It also started me missing a PCMCIA slot available in most subnotebooks.

Typing on a Sony Picturebook and on a Gen 1 Toshiba Libretto was impossibly hard compared to the OQO, BlackBerry, and Treo thumboards, which feels natural while mobile.

So between carrying all of the peripherals with the un-pocketable U, no PCMCIA slot, and inability to type on the mini-subnotebooks like the Libretto and Picturebook, I started thinking that I wanted a subnotebook over the U (a slate mini-tablet). The U, although large, is closer to the full subnotebook experience.

What's interesting is that I haven't wanted a subnotebook since owning the OQO and I'm fine with the "tweener performance."

I'm adamant about pocketability because I want the power of the cPC/U in the form of the OQO, so I can take it anywhere with me.
Folks that carry planners, purses, or other carrying devices should be fine with a larger handtop. Perhaps the Flipstart will be the great in-between handtop when/if it's released.

I believe that kyone mentioned a 5" screen is because, up until now, all of the current handtops (Sony U, OQO, proposed DualCor cPC, and proposed Flipstart) are all sporting a 5" screen.

Different strokes for different folks, so good luck when you get a "handtop."

Here's a recent review where the "size" matters because of the carry everything else factor: link

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02/14/06 + diJenerate

lironharel said: "
...the second model would eventually integrate 3G...
"

Are you sure about this lironharel? The integrated smartphone capabilities seem to be a major marketing point in their demonstrations so far as well as in the splash screen on their webpage.

[rant]I was willing to overlook the chunky form factor and sheer size and lack of aesthetic beauty (this is no OQO or even thinner - yet useless - Samsung Nexio)of the unit because of these superior features (especially the smartphone) but without that, I can hardly see a need to buy this system. I am not a Windows fan far less a Windows Mobile fan and I think that WindowsXP is only superceded by Windows CE.net and all of its derivitives including WM5 in the nominations for the most useless operating system out there. My plan was to install linux on this system and use synce until I had successfully ported embedded linux to the device replacing the WM5. Now with no smartphone, I'll just replace my aging Samsung Nexio (which is not much more than a vnc viewer for me and has such poor battery life that I can use the battery meter as a countdown timer) with a much more functional embedded linux device such as the Nokia 770.... now what to I do about the smartphone... Well, VoWifi is poised to replace cellular and I could...[/rant]

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edited: Feb 14 2006 + mensrea

"keyboard optional (people need to learn the joys of tablet, until then their opinion is limited and uninformed. but keyboards are definitely welcomed)"

I have no desire to write as a primary means of entering text. This is why I've never liked palm devices. Graffiti is useless to me! I type legal briefs and other documents, a keyboard is NOT optional.

"try thinking outside of your idealistic views...."

You've got this one twisted. You are the idealist. Most of use have experience with a wide range of devices and after hands on comparison of several, in my case this includes the cPC, we have pragmatically decided that the OQO, to date, is superior for our individual needs. Idealism is based on wishes/hopes. The little computer in my pocket is not a wish, it's a reality. I think almost everyone here has expressed that they understand that some people might prefer speed over size.

But if speed is your primary concern/need you need to get a desktop. If portability matters slightly more than speed, get a big ass desktop replacement "laptop" like I have. Speed and portability equal? Get a regular laptop. Portability slightly more important than speed? Get a subnotebook.

But if portability is your PRIMARY concern for a full fledged windows PC, as of today's date, there is no device that is superior or even equal to the OQO. This is not a RANT, it's not an OPINION, this is a verifiable, indisputable, axiomatic FACT. On this point there is nothing to debate.

Get the right tool/toy for you. But it is exceedingly obnoxious/presumptuous of you and other folks who come along and, based upon nothing more than your review of some jpgs and spec. sheets, jump to conclusions about OQO owners being biased and unable to recognize the virtues of other devises. Other strident assumers have had to change their tune after getting their actual hands on the OQO.

EVERY OQO owner had some other device prior to 2004, every one of us will have something after. The OQO has many, many faults and as of today, the 01 and 01+ are both irrelevant. My next handtop will be the one that has the best specs and price for my needs. It may be the 02, 03, or the next generation of the cPC or something completely different.

As of today; however, my OQO plus WM5 Smartphone is superior in every possible way (for my needs) to the cPC or any other solution. Trust me, I'm an expert on what my needs are. Again, there is nothing to debate.

There should be no hard feelings Hite. It's all a matter of personal needs/preference.

02/14/06 + nivenh

mensrea said: ""keyboard optional (people need to learn the joys of tablet, until then their opinion is limited and uninformed. but keyboards are definitely welcomed)"

I have no desire to write as a primary means of entering text. This is why I've never liked palm devices. Graffiti is useless to me! I type legal briefs and other documents, a keyboard is NOT optional.
"

I think its also worth noting that the whole reason typewriters caught on was because one could type faster than write, even with the original typewriters. It also of course had the side effect of being easier to read.

02/14/06 + kyone

The statistics on tablet PC about 18 months ago was that they were not as popular as predicted. Keyboards have a strong hold on the PC industry so people are not prepared to let go of them just yet or in the foreseeable future.

I was not trying to define what a handtop had to be but was just putting forward my personal opinion. Any desktop OS, I think that goes without saying... again I just whipped out a quick statement on the spec, didnt think all that much about it.

A keyboard is a luxury... just like air con in your car.. but if that's what sells then so be it.

And I want to clarify, 12" screen laptops are great... cPC is great (if that is what you want) hey even desktops are great... but we are talking about handtops here. I think most would agree that anything with a 12" screen would not be defined as a handtop. Call them 'two hand' computers. You must draw the line somewhere or ppl will start saying that a small form factor PC with win CE can join the arena...

Definitions for things like this must be decided on a general consensus. If ALL forms were accepted it would get way out of hand (we want to keep it in the hand), can't keep everyone happy.

02/14/06 + 2disbetter

lets just say for sake of simplicity that the oqo and the u are the only real handtops out there. (I bet some of you are steaming) NO Im joking of course. A keyboard to me is very important. With the genius put into the oqo desgin its going to be hard for any company to one up them. I am glad the cpc is comign out, and for some it will do nicely, heck i might get one, one of these days, but I'm willing to bet that oqo will hit back with the 02 soon. It would be pointless to release something new that can't compete with a current product so we can expect it to be compareble to the cpc and im guessing better.

I wish the cpc the best though. WHo knows they might just come out with a built in keyboard that slids out. Then its anyones game.

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