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02/13/06 + lironharel

-163 x 83 x 30 mm, 550 grams
-1.5GHz Via C7-M CPU (for Windows XP TabletPC Edition 2005)
-400MHz Intel XScale PXA263 CPU (for Windows Mobile 5.0)
-1GB of DDR2 RAM
-40GB hard drive (accessible by both OS. Seen as C: by XP, seen as a network drive by the PocketPC OS)
-1GB of NAND flash memory
-800x480 262k colours 5" touch-sensitive display made
-data input via a stylus or the trackstick plus the mouse buttons on the front of the computer
-headset connector, stereo headphones connector
-Compact Flash type II slot
-mini VGA port up to 1600x1200 external resolution (you may work on the external monitor with xp tablet while you work on the cPC with windows mobile), 3xUSB 2.0 ports
-speaker, microphone
-comes with a full-size stowaway keyboard
-adjustable display-angle docking system
-both OS share the same Microsoft Outlook repository (no sync needed)
-WiFi 54g

the second model would eventually integrate 3G

Other versions are on the design boards:
-a cheaper/thinner cPC using a single system-on-chip processor
-a larger cPC using a 7" display

I hope I gave you enough information

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edited: Feb 17 2006 + educationk12

haha,I'm so angry, lol, no I don't think you could piss me off. Annoy yes, but I don't get upset over a device, I generally if a forum becomes pointless then I stop posting/reading, which is probably where I need to go with this. A trick I have learned over the years, I think things will change when the device actually comes out and people have invested 1500 into the dualcor. I think what I find annoying the the a posts is it becomes personal attacks against each other and the ego bag of tricks within us just feeds into that. It becomes a war of devices rather than understanding more about a particular device. Again, I don't remember such nonsense when the oqo came out and people didn't seem to waste their time on U750P threads to post in every other post that the oqo is smaller with a keyboard. Um, okay, I get that. I think that is the annoying part. If you read my post to the link that I posted above, then I think I make it clear that size is important, thus a special post for those who wish to post with oqo size vs. CPC size stuff when the specs are clearly more than one dimension. (pun intended)

I'll try this one more time.

Do you think the DualCor is Quadband? (If so, then it'll be unlocked and will work with all GSM cell services)

There's actually a lot I want to learn about this device. I feel I have learned enough about the OQO over the past 1 1/2 years, but it seems quite annoying that when the dualcor is mentioned it becomes an endless oqo comparator where threads are deleted, etc. It seems that we could put our personal feelings about the OQO aside and look at the CPC for what it is. I accept that it is larger. Would I like for it to be smaller, absolutely. Would I like for it to have the same oqo keyboard, yes. Does it, no. Why does it need to be discussed further? I think the problem is that the majority of the people on this handtops boards are OQO owners and they all love their device yet wish it had the specs of the dualcor in the size of the OQO. It's not going to happen for a long time, so in the meantime we have a larger device. OQO won't be coming out with what you people are proposing until no earlier than October. It's February, the device is claiming to come out in March...not sure what the whole point is all about. Clearly, OQO nor can Dualcor produce an oqo sized device with what dualcor has in this unit until Q4 2006, late Q3 at the earliest.

Maybe we should look at this device as an improvement over the U750P rather than the OQO...would that help?

02/17/06 + kyone

One of the mind sets that I fell into was that with the original prototype of the OQO it was about 25% smaller then the current 01 and 01+ models and had no keyboard. When the final spec came out for the 01 and it had a keyboard I said to myself, its good to have a keyboard but the increase in size was at its maximum limit.

So now when any other device comes on the market I dismiss it immediately unless it is the same size or smaller then the OQO simply because I've already made up my mind from day one. I've argued the point to myself and have decided that the current form of the OQO has set the standard for the true definition of a handtop. If OQO was any bigger then its current form I would not be accepting of such a device.

As your final statement education12 it might be easier to compare it to the U750P simply because I gather like the rest of us I have not decided on the U750P / cPC debate.

My final words on the issue is that the cPC is a great device, will have its own market, but cannot compete in the portable handtop market with the merits of an OQO ie the one true "handtop"

This is my personal opinion

PS to give an opinion on your question on GSM I believe it will be 3G if anything. I understand there are only 2 x 3G bands, and most phones can fall back to 2G (if no 3G available, as it does not have the coverage of 2G), up to 4/quad bands for this slower network (2x3G + 4x2G = max 6 bands, none support all 6 but most support a combination of them).

It is possible to technically lock any phone not matter how many bands it supports, this is for commercial reasons. If cPC does not make a deal with any carrier (ie lock it) then you should be able to buy the cPC and put in your own USIM (3G) card as all GSM devices must have provisions for a SIM card.

I would guess that ultimately when released with data support it will be 3G with 1 band and ability to fall back to 2G with 2 or 3 bands. That is the most common configuration.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + mensrea

Since I raised the size issue on this thread, I'll respond and take umbrage to the suggestion that this thread was somehow "hijacked." The very first line of the thread starter at the top of this page is about dimensions and weight. My post was responsive to that very first line. It is in no way tangential or a "hijacking."

I converted the weight provided into pounds and made a well reasoned and germaine observation thereupon.

So again, I take umbrage and found your "a chestnut is neither a chest nor a nut; discuss" styled thread starter rude and offensive. The same observation could be made about your fixation on resolution and screen size. Is that hijacking, or just what's important to you? Should I start a new thread for that?

No, that would be uncalled for and just plain rude.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + educationk12

kyone,

What I mean by quadband isn't 2g, 2.5g, 3g...I believe when you use that terminology it is referring to wireless data speeds, but I could be wrong. I simply mean that if this is going to be a universal device that will work with most GSM companies in the U.S. and outside the U.S. then it would need to be Quadband GSM, i.e. 850Mhz, 900Mhz, 1800Mhz and 1900Mhz (I think those are the right numbers).

For example, in NYC you can buy a phone that is TriBand, but it is specific to certain carriers due to the fact that it is missing one of the bands, i.e. those without 850Mhz won't work properly with Cingular and Tmobile is the 900Mhz...granted it is possible to get them to work in other areas, but Cingular primarily uses the 850Mhz and Tmobile primarily uses the 900Mhz. If you get a quadband device then it will work for both, and since this occurs, as far as I know, there isn't a quadband phone out there that is locked to a certain carrier, simply because it works with all networks. Which makes it great for international use.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + mensrea

With all due respect, this was a conversation about the device until you decided you'd had your fill of discussion about certain aspects of it (ie size/weight).

Nothing at all was stopping you from highlighting/questioning the specifications that mattered to you. As is evidenced by the fact that you did raise those issues, (ie resolution/cf card). Rather than express exasperation with the fact that you ALWAYS talk about resolution, others, myself included, responded with our $.02 about the substance of your posts and moved on, as it should be.

I'll not say another word. Please feel free to have the last word on the subject.

[Looks a little weired, now that you've edited your response above, but I'll just leave it as is.]

No worries. Appology accepted, thank you.

[OK now you've edited your post again, and it just looks like I'm talking to myself. :-)] lol!

02/17/06 + educationk12

The subject of this post is "CPC detailed specs & EXTERNAL RESOLUTION", therefore nothing delighted me more to see these words posted by somebody else! My apologies, I clearly take my resolution too seriously!

mensrea, I am wrong to do what I have done.

02/17/06 + educationk12

The dualcor says that it has 3 USB 2.0 ports, but then it goes on to say that it has 2 Type A and 1 Type B.

What is the difference between A & B?

edited: Feb 17 2006 + mensrea

A= in from devices such as PDAs, External Optical Drives. B= square-ish plug on printers and other peripherals. Someone smarter posted a more technical explanation and made some observation about how this implies that the cPC can be used in some sort of slavish capacity for something that's over my pay grade.

02/17/06 + educationk12

slavish? Does that mean clustering? I'd love nothing more than to cluster this cpc with another cpc.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + mensrea

Sorry, over my pay grade. I'm in over my head already. That's why I like to keep it simple and say, "that one's bigger." LOL!!!

02/17/06 + educationk12

Doesn't appear that the dualcor has a Firewire port. 4 or 6 pin?

edited: Feb 17 2006 + tnkgrl

*educationk12*, you write:
"I think the problem is that the majority of the people on this handtops boards are OQO owners and they all love their device yet wish it had the specs of the dualcor in the size of the OQO."

I think you're generalizing here... As an OQO user, I have absolutely no interest in the Window Mobile and Compact Flash aspects of the cPC! The only aspects of the cPC that I find compelling are the faster CPU and the integrated mobile phone technology (which now appears to be missing - plus I have no interest in 2G only). The lack of keyboard, the larger size, the boring design and the dual-OS dual-CPU support are turning me off (I don't want to pay for software/hardware I don't want)!

Also, FYI Cingular is GSM/GPRS//EDGE 850/1900 and soon to be UMTS/HSDPA 850/1900 whereas T-Mobile (US) is GSM/GPRS/EDGE 1900 only. Most of the rest of the world is GSM/GPRS/EDGE 900/1800 and UMTS/HSDPA 2100. T-Mobile (US) is not GSM 900.

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edited: Feb 17 2006 + 2disbetter

i agree with tnkgrl. But it goes beyond just being an oqo user. As a desktop user I have no need for Compact Flash or a mobile os. IMHO its just a bad design, and is being used as a marketing scheme to get people who really don't know what they want to go owwww that one says more stuff about itself than this one.

As I said before when the cpc enters the arena things should get interesting.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + educationk12

tnkgrl,

When I said that I meant the specs of 1.5ghz processor combined with 1gb of RAM combined with the possibility of the oqo working like a phone. 3 usb ports, etc. I would love to have one extra usb port on the oqo.

1. I already said that I wasn't crazy about the CF slot, and if CF wasn't included on the CPC, then maybe they would have put in a 6 pin Firewire to takes place simply because 6 pin firewire give off so much more power than usb 2.0. Simply because I haven't found a CF card that I would find useful, however some do find it useful...which gets to my point that this really fits in between the oqo and u750p. However, I think if a poll was done on handtops.com that you'd find that 50 percent or more owns OQO (or wants/intends to get one), 40 percent or so don't own a "handtop...whatever that is" and less than 10 percent own the other devices. I

personally think if Dualcor came out first and the majority had dualcors, then the OQO came out with their product that you'd see a different reaction to the product. It would go back to Q4, 04 talk about Crusoe limitations, which we all know these slow problems don't really exist to the degree it was made out to be when you actually use the product.

2. I've never owned a device with Windows Mobile, so I know nothing about them. I am quite confident you know quite a bit about them, since your knowledge of technology is far beyond mine. And I'm sincere with that statement. I have NEVER been interested in Windows Mobile for the following reasons.
A. Cell phone windows mobile devices always have 320x240 or lower resolution...why they can't put 640x480 like a Dell x50 is beyond me, so at that resolution I find it not appealing.
B. PDAs have always seemed limited when compared to the OQO, so there is no need to buy the Dell x50 when you have the OQO.

Yet I think the main advantage is a faster processor, video card, wifi and stuff like that but it might be with this phone is that it most likely is quadband, therefore it should work on most GSM networks, however I haven't seen a picture yet showing the SIM card slot. My personal thought is that while it seems pointless to have windows mobile on a device that has the full version of TE5, I think the ONLY reason why they are doing that is because the technology isn't here to make GSM work smoothly on XP. (Getting my Samba 56 to work would make the average person cringe with issues with XP) and that is beyond the battery life.

So I really think they are attempting an all in one device and making use of what technology is available. Microsoft has spent probably billions of dollars getting Windows Mobile to work with cell stuff, whereas I don't think the same can be said of XP. I think dualcor would be foolish if they did what I did with my Samba card and tried to put a GSM chip into their device for the sake of making a small device. It wouldn't have worked. They might be able to pull it off in the future, but everything I have read about Mobile PhoneTools, etc appear that those billions of dollars spent to make Windows Mobile work make it much safer to produce a product like dualcor has produced. Again, I think their target never was OQO, but somewhere in between Sony's produce and OQOs.

If anybody is familiar with Windows Mobile, then it would be educational for me to know what you find useful or not useful in the application itself.

3. You are right about the 1900mhz. I goofed up with Tmobile running off the 900Mhz network, since I have been with Cingular forever the way to look for a Cingular phone which will work "BEST" off a cingular network is to look for phones have the following: 850, 1850, 1900 in the specs. Most Tmobile phones that aren't quadband have 900, 1850, 1900...(of course quadband 850,900,1850,1900 is ideal for both networks). For example, the SLVR is cheap on ebay when it doesn't include the 850mhz, when it just has the 900, 1850, 1900 and from my understanding that is because Cingular uses the 850mhz the most. That's how I understand it. What I really want is to switch over to Verizon to get my $20 pc card discount, but I'm still looking for that phone that gets close to what my pc card gets as well as something that allows for an external antenna to be connected. I'm glad the KR1 allows for pc cards and phones!

All I was saying is that it's a new device and surely there is more to this device than what has been discuss thus far. My current state of mind is to possibly sell my oqos for when the dualcor comes out and get a dualcor, if I like it then I keep it and wait until the 02 comes out in October or so, and then it's back to the OQO 02...but I think I can make this work between March and October, however I do want to learn more about the dualcor itself. I might end up buying the dualcor and wanting to go back to the oqos...who knows.

I don't have product loyalty. For example, when Apple comes out with something new, there are always endless posts between PC owners and Apple owners that really say nothing, statements like Apples are more stable, easier to use, etc. Never anything specific. Maybe that is what I was getting at...it doesn't really matter at this point because the oqo response from the majority always outweighs those who think differently...hehe, just kidding. That was really a joke, don't hate. For that I apologize. Apple vs. PC, etc. Although, I am seriously tempted to get that MacBook Pro 2.16ghz dual. It's very tempting. Sweet device. I just wish it were in a 10 or 12 inch size factor, but I think I might just do it. But back to the topic...

Does anybody know much about Windows Mobile? Any advantages that you can see other than what I pointed out with Windows XP not working flawlessly as a cell phone. If you know anything, you know more than me!

02/17/06 + tnkgrl

*educationk12*, I think you meant 1800, not 1850

Here's what I'm looking forward to this year:
- The Model 02 (I think it's going to blow people away - OQO has 2 years of real-life experience to leverage)
- Apple's 12" or smaller Intel-based notebook or tablet.
- Nokia or Sony-Ericsson's 3G "world" mobile phone (GSM 850/900/1800/1900, UMTS 850/1900/2100) with QVGA, WiFi, stereo BT, memory card, & 3MP camera (like the Nokia N80 or upcoming SE "Wilma")
- Possibly Nokia's 770 replacement/update

Here's what I'll be selling this year:
- My Power Mac G4 Cube (completely custom rebuilt by me with dual 1.2 GHz G4 CPUs, dual-layer Superdrive, & lots more - available now)
- My PSP (available now - mint condition)
- My Model 01+ (summer)
- My Sony Ericsson W800i (available now - mint condition) and my Motorola E815
- Possibly my Nokia 770
- Possibly my Averatec AV1050

OK, I was not planning a sales pitch, but oh well

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