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02/13/06 + lironharel

-163 x 83 x 30 mm, 550 grams
-1.5GHz Via C7-M CPU (for Windows XP TabletPC Edition 2005)
-400MHz Intel XScale PXA263 CPU (for Windows Mobile 5.0)
-1GB of DDR2 RAM
-40GB hard drive (accessible by both OS. Seen as C: by XP, seen as a network drive by the PocketPC OS)
-1GB of NAND flash memory
-800x480 262k colours 5" touch-sensitive display made
-data input via a stylus or the trackstick plus the mouse buttons on the front of the computer
-headset connector, stereo headphones connector
-Compact Flash type II slot
-mini VGA port up to 1600x1200 external resolution (you may work on the external monitor with xp tablet while you work on the cPC with windows mobile), 3xUSB 2.0 ports
-speaker, microphone
-comes with a full-size stowaway keyboard
-adjustable display-angle docking system
-both OS share the same Microsoft Outlook repository (no sync needed)
-WiFi 54g

the second model would eventually integrate 3G

Other versions are on the design boards:
-a cheaper/thinner cPC using a single system-on-chip processor
-a larger cPC using a 7" display

I hope I gave you enough information

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edited: Feb 17 2006 + mensrea

The value promise and focus of Pocket PC and other windows mobile devices has always been on being a day planner replacement. That's what I've always used it for. The added value is that you never have to write stuff down, you sync it with your desktop and you're on your way.

You also have these features which make them very valuable for a large number of people:

-instant on

-media player, I was using my Pocket PC for an MP3 player for most people ever heard of iPod.

-if you have a keyboard and are in a pinch, you can bust out a Word document in a blink.

-they make great calculators, there are a multiplicity of programs to do any calculation you need, financial calculator's, scientific calculators, hex binary and whatever you need.

-portable maps before anybody ever had a GPS device.

-portable media using Windows media player before Palm ever was able to do this or anyone ever heard of Creative.

-various e-reader software available to make it very easy for you to pull your PDA out of your jacket pocket and read a book while you're on a one-hour flight from Las Vegas to Reno.

-mobile instant on Excel spreadsheets, I've got a spreadsheet that calculates automobile payments based upon the amount of your down payment and your interest rate, I've taken it with me and used it to my advantage for every car purchase that I've made since 2000.

-And I cannot stress enough INSTANT ON.

I think you guys are missing the boat with CompactFlash, you can get an 8 GB card for under $200. This is a massive amount of storage. And unlike silly USB dongles, CompactFlash cards slide flushly into your device, leaving clean lines and nothing sticking out. SDIO allows you to be able to attach other devices just like a PCMIA card such as cameras, modems and other desirable devices, and because they have a CompactFlash card on the bottom, they are much smaller than an equivalent PCMIA card device would be.

Windows mobile is basically just like a TV show, if you never got into LOST, you just don't get it and probably won't. If you did, you do. I come from a management/legal background. Managers and executives in my position are primarily concerned with appointments and information. Many of us like to be able to play game or two and maybe check out some tunes. Windows mobile devices have always filled this niche very well.

I think the OQO designers were derelict for not including some sort of a solid-state memory reader, whether that be CompactFlash or one of the various forms of Secure Digital, anything really, besides a memory stick.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + mensrea

Many of you guys are programmers, you get all excited about lunix and open source and things of this nature. I'm a user, I haven't programmed anything since BASIC, and even then, if you wanted much more than my name scrolling from one side of the screen to the other, you'd be pushing it.

I really don't care what's going on behind the scenes of my operating system, as long as the device in question does the things that I need/want to do. I think you guys need to remember what the average in user looks like on paper, and how they think. So just think of your grandma- okay maybe not that that far back, think Paris Hilton or Jon Stewart, if you prefer.

Most of us silly, end-users just want a device that will allow us to make calls, take pictures, listen to music, play movies, send e-mail, do some office applications, surf the net, play some games and take care of a few other individualized needs. The first person/company to put all of that together, let it run for eight hours or more, and allow me to put it in my pocket wins! That's how I see it. Right now, an OQO and my windows mobile phone get all those things done.

I would prefer to have one convergence device that does all, I like the idea of combining windows mobile and Windows XP in one device. But this is only an interim fix until Windows can figure out instant on. After that, bye-bye windows mobile. If the CPC was smaller I would get rid of my OQO today.

Please don't take offense folks, but I'm the guy they're ultimately trying to market this to, not you tech insiders.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + educationk12

tnkgrl,

Okay, I am an idiot. hehe

1. Model 02 - Exactly! I would not even be wasting my time in this thread if the 02 was being released in Q1, Q2 of this year...even early Q3...but it's going to be late Q3 at the earliest. It will rock! However, I do have some resale value concerns...which for me it isn't so much the money as more of a hobby of saying technology doesn't cost me anything (with the exception of my time)...believe it or not. If the 02 is as grand as I think it is going to be, then the 01+ is going to get hit hard in the resale department. Crusoe to Centrino, and everything else it'll have...it's going to hurt the wallet. I guess one thing I love about handtops is that if you buy and sell them at the right times, then they rarely cost you money to own. I sold my 01 right when the 01+ was released for $100 more than I paid for it. Now I have the 01+ computers, so the dualcor will release its product and I am quite confident that oqo will lower their prices...how much I am not for certain and I don't even think OQO knows how much...I am for certain that oqo will most likely still be priced higher simply because they do have all the advantages which are discusses in this thread.

2. Apple Tablet...Isn't that a far ways off? Like isn't that more model 02 time period or later?

3. QVGA...ugh! Okay, can't they at least double it to 480x320!?

4. Stupid question from someone who knows very little about Linux...I think it is worth considering (while the Nokia 770 size/weight factor is supreme)...what makes that Nokia last so long battery life wise, for example, if I installed Linux on the OQO then I'd probably get similar battery life...seems one of the reasons for the dualcor (beyond the phone) is the extended battery life of windows mobile (as pointless as I think it is too...beyond the phone capability, yet I never have used them much).

I never have liked PDA/windows mobile devices. I use to write grants and the grants that would beat my grants incorporated PDAs into their grant. I refused to use anything but Windows XP, because the software that actually did anything productive didn't use PDA software...they always seems like great planners, calander apps, email, etc...but other than that they seem rather limited. In that time period, PDAs were pretty useless, they have come a long way.

Anyway, I guess one question is...IF the dualcor dual booted...i.e. from Windows TE5 to Linux (such as what is in the Nokia 770)...wouldn't it get the battery advantage...and does that support my thought about stable telephone environments. What I mean is I said Windows XP is buggy as a GSM telephone, the billions of dollars spent to make Windows Mobile work "great" as a phone as been spent, however not knowing much about Linux, I am going to throw this out there, but I imagine there is a reason why Nokia didn't put the phone feature in the Nokia 770 under the Linux platform.

I would buy a Nokia 770 today if it worked as a cell phone, too. Seems kinda redundant to have the oqo and the 770...unless there is something in Linux that you love.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + educationk12

mensrea said: " But this is only an interim fix until Windows can figure out instant on. After that, bye-bye windows mobile. "

Exactly! Bravo! As well as phone capabilities...merging phone and device requires $$$ in the OS. It'll come but not until the 02 and quite possibly later...02 might just be centrino, g, etc...which will be enough to sell plenty of them. So this is the Interim. I am absolutely certain that there is a reason why Blackberry is so popular with Corporate America...they have spent tons of resources perfecting their security, etc. When this can be merged into one device like the oqo, then it'll be the next big thing. But personally, dualcor is doing something really risky in releasing a product that isn't ultimately what we all want...i see the many imperfections in this device, but it does fill a void that will only be a void for probably 6 months to 9 months before the desired form factor device is released, which will devalue the 01+ quite a bit when this 02 comes out. That's my take on it. In the meantime the 01+ won't be hit hard, but I suspect the average oqo value will decrease several hundred dollars weeks after the release of the dualcor despite it all.

By then, it is very possible that other companies with wallets that could sink oqo and dualcor like the titantic could put out a device that would put the OQO 01+ TE5 in the under $1000 price range by October 2006...granted, there is NOTHING saying this will happen...but it is becoming more and more of a possibility...Sony, Nokia, Apple and even the not so liked Microsoft could become players.

So I don't see the Dualcor as a drool device. It'll actually hurt to get rid of my oqos and go with the dualcor, but resale wise I am a bit shakey on what is to come.

P.S. I think I missed the boat back when I spent $500 on a 1gb sony memory stick and months later they sold for practically pennies, then it got stolen...but yeh, $200 is cheap for 8gb and i can see the use behind it. I'll probably buy the 8gb CF hard drive when I get the dualcor.

P.S.S. Thanks for posting the PROS of windows mobile...none of those features appeal to me very much so I have to agree with tnkgrl on it being pointless, however the cell phone feature I will find useful if it works well. But other than that, I think I can do everything else almost as well with XP yet in a more battery consuming environment. I heard VISTA requires enormous amounts of RAM and processor...so my biggest fear is that the future of Windows will become this same kind of GAP between XP and mobile products...I mean even if they did merge XP and Windows Mobile...when VISTA comes out...it just seems hopeless at times for handtops and then sometimes it seems progress is made. Desktop and Laptops rule the world! But surely VISTA could have something in the OS that would be nearly fully functional and incorporate the two...seems all handtops people want is an all-in-one device in the rght form factor. I'm trying to get at the PROS of the extra all-in-one stuff in the dualcor (which clearly lacks the form factor...which we have covered

edited: Feb 17 2006 + tnkgrl

*educationk12*, you wrote:

"2. Apple Tablet...Isn't that a far ways off? Like isn't that more model 02 time period or later?"
I was referring to Apple's next 12" Intel-based notebook, ie. the PowerBook 12" replacement, or an Apple sub-notebook, or an Apple tablet, whichever is released first.

"3. QVGA...ugh! Okay, can't they at least double it to 480x320!?"
I was describing a small phone (2.5" maximum screen size), not a smart phone or PDA.

"Seems kinda redundant to have the oqo and the 770...unless there is something in Linux that you love."
Well I love Linux

But mostly, I like that my Nokia 770 provides 80 percent of the OQO's functionailty for 20 percent of the cost...

That being said, give me a 3G "world" mobile phone (GSM 850/900/1800/1900, UMTS 850/1900/2100) with QVGA, WiFi, stereo BT, memory card, & 3MP camera (maybe a Series 60 device that can run Opera) and I'd consider replacing my Nokia 770 completely, keeping the OQO for more demanding ultra mobile use (like I already do)!

The reason the Nokia 770 is more power efficient & cooler than the OQO, and is capable of instant-on is because it's an embedded device using PDA hardware with no hard drive (flash memory is used for the operating system and there is a memory card slot) - nothing to do specifically with Linux.

Recent Blog: Bluetooth hack for the Asus 701 (Eee)

02/17/06 + educationk12

Okay, that makes perfect sense. Does the Nokia 770 include a WORD like application?

As for the dualcor, so now it makes sense with this NAND 1GB of flash stuff with Windows Mobile, etc...If Windows XP/TE5 could run off flash memory then that would be perfect, but obviously that must only work with WME and Linux. Yes, this whole WME and TE5 seems redundant with the exception of the phone capability.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + tnkgrl

*educationk12*, the Nokia 770 comes with a simple word processor... But what's even more signiificant is that several open source Linux applications - link - are available for the 770 (with more becoming available every week), and that Nokia is making it easy for developers and individuals to port open source Linux applications to the device!

Recent Blog: Bluetooth hack for the Asus 701 (Eee)

02/17/06 + educationk12

I think you just sold me on a Nokia 770. It takes a lot for people (and right now I am speaking about myself) to see beyond specs and learn more about a product...I think I can make the Nokia 770 work as my interim device rather than the CPC, but I am still considering the CPC. The Nokia is so inexpensive that I think I could afford to try it out, if not for anything else but learning some Linux.

edited: Feb 17 2006 + tnkgrl

*educationk12*, check out the Nokia 770 forums - link

Recent Blog: Bluetooth hack for the Asus 701 (Eee)

02/18/06 + 2disbetter

wow this got depressing. I would not label myself a tech insider. I do however appreciate having a full blown computer in the palm of my hand for several reasons.

1.) programming anywhere is a very important thing to me. I can be anywhere and pick up on my project.
2.) playing games (not watered down ppc games (althought ppc had some really good ones like Fade, etc.))
3.) graphical work for said programming projects
4.) a complete computer anywhere (which happens to be the bottom line)

mensrea is correct though, companies are not putting these things out for folks like myself. They are putting them out for the people who will use them at about 10% of what they are capable of. But if all you want is to check your mail, work a document, or set up an appointment, you should get a treo or something. THe oqo is a huge waste of money for anyone who doesn't understand all that its capable of. (or the cpc to get back on subject)

I suppose I shoudln;'t complain though. Its people buying these things that allows the company to produce better ones. SO i take that back, BUY THEM, BUY HUNDREDS OF THEM.

02/18/06 + mensrea

"They are putting them out for the people who will use them at about 10% of what they are capable of. But if all you want is to check your mail, work a document, or set up an appointment, you should get a treo or something."

Not so fast, 2db, the fact that I'm not interested in any subroutine that doesn't involve provalone doesn't mean that I don't require the power of a full Windows PC. I would not have purchased the OQO if it did not fill a legitimate need. My word processing needs are extreme. Footnotes, citations, legal pagnation, etc. I use about 90% of what Word/WP can do. Voice recognition, Statutory Databases, OCR, various specialized industry standard calandering, billing and other mission critical software are all reasons that I need full windows. A treo could not keep up with me!

Others need autocad, photo/video/audio editing suites, etc. Everybody wants to be able to take this stuff with them. I'm a user yes, but a pretty sophistiated power user.

02/18/06 + 2disbetter

mensrea i was not directing my response to you but the general public. Still in my book word is one very small faction of a desktop. Just my opinion.

02/18/06 + educationk12

Out of curiosity, the 7" display, I'd really dig a WXGA 7" display with a tiny frame like my U105 but the size of the U750P (without the big frame around it). That would be sweet!

02/19/06 + slickster

Guys did any of you know that the guy who runs link formally link works for DualCor.. I have sent him some emails... Anyone else?

02/20/06 + slickster

Man this board is so slow. I got a great story and not one response???

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