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Watching the ongoing discussion over form factor and specifications, it is obvious that no one company is ever going to get it even close to right in the handtop arena to satisfy everyone's needs, never mind likes. Perhaps the entire approach needs to be looked at?
Maybe the time has arrived where the handtop market has reached the point that it would be possible for the user to design their own “mix and match” handtop, and order it from a producer?
The modular design concept has been discussed before on this forum, including by people like MeanSquare, who have correctly identified its current weak point as the additional size of these units.
But what is that was not necessarily so? What is, using technology similar to that employed in desktops for years, it was possible for one to actually design and order ones own handtop, with specifications to ones own liking, and have it made for one from modular components? I believe technology has come far enough for this to be possible!
Handtop components are actually the same or similar components used in the almost infinity modular desktop units we all know so well. The difference is that desktop component boards are large, with lots of space around them etc. This need not be so.
It would be possible to design a component core, comprising of the CPU, RAM, Chipset, WiFi, Bluetooth and connections to other components and make it just as small as in the OQO Model 2, for example. Connectors and the like would be of the same type currently used in Handtops, as would all be the space saving technologies, but conceptually it would be like the Motherboard in a Desk Top Computer.
By using a heat-pipe type technology, it would be possible to extract the heat from the CPU to a cooling unit, the size of which would depend on the CPU. If the Intel line of Core processors was the basis of the unit, one could have everything from a 1 GHz Core Solo processor to a 2 GHz Core Duo processor. Variable voltage and wattage would be supplied by a separate PSU, the output of which would be dictated by the power requirements of the components.
RAM in a single solder on module could range from 256 MB to 2 GB.
With this core of components, one could then design three or four basic sizes of enclosure, say a small one to fit a 4.5” screen, slightly larger one for a 5” screen, a larger one for a 5.6” screen, and the largest for a 6.5” screen or even a 7” screen.
The depth of these enclosures would be determined by battery capacity, drive size etc. One could have a modular area on one side of the core components that would permit additional batteries, SIM cards, memory cards, additional ports and so on.
By having the keyboard connector modular, attached by a ribbon USB connector, one could offer a variety of keyboard designs for each enclosure size, to fit all requirements, or no keyboard at all, making the unit a tablet. The back of the enclosure would also be modular, to permit different screen designs such as clamshell, slider, flip and fold etc. Screens could be plain, passive or active touch screens as was the requirement of the user.
The advantage of all of the above is, once the core was designed, other manufacturers could create new enclosures, screen modules, keyboards and so on, to be purchased and used with the core.
Since the unit would still be manufactured for one, none of the space losses accompanying plug in components would be incurred, but the unit would still be almost completely variable in specification.
If one had an enclosure with keyboard and screen one really liked, and technology advanced, one could have the core replaced with a newer one. If one saw a better keyboard design for ones enclosure, or a new screen one liked more, the unit could be upgraded.
The technology for such a device exists, I am surprised that it has not already been created. It is however a possible future for Handtops where everyone gets what they want. Here is to hoping that someone somewhere picks up on the idea and runs with it.
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03/11/07
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GenM
I`ll take one unit with no screen, no keyboard, the size of an OQO 01, able to use industry std power supply (or external battery), with VGA and 4 USB ports, and Bluetooth, WiFi, and Sprint`s version of 802.16 (WiBro). Include the best processor and graphics that will fit with 12+ hrs battery (fuel cell wold be better). I`ll supply the display and data entry devices (they are different depending on context).
Todays designs are limited by the constraints placed on them by screen and keyboard. I`d rather see one constrained by just power and size.
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alcuin
If you want modular, maybe an upgraded concept like the old Franklin > Xircom > Intel Rex PCMCIA organizers would be suitable. Just a storage unit, with battery, low end cpu, and LCD, and a few buttons to be able to view data on the unit; then have it double has a hard drive for a OQO or Flipstart or Sony shell. Or even a PDA shell like the TRGPro/HandEra 330. So you'd be able to have your data on a portable unit, and viewable in three different modes; standalone (for quick glances like during downtime eg. commuting), full mode with a Windows XP shell (in high cpu power requirement situations and locations, like the business office), or light mode in a PDA shell for long battery life situations (wilderness, military, etc).
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tchernev
Hi GreatDane,
Great writing as usual :-)!
Let me add my two cents in. Somehow I do not believe that the "design you own handtop" concept is so easy to
implement as you make it sound... For starters, the same concept has not really taken off even with laptops. But
also, I think that there are engineering issues relating to intangibles such as heat dissipation, wireless interference,
and so on that appear because of the small size of the devices, and that cannot be adequately addressed in the framework
of the concept because of the many choices for the components. It has been my impression that all the (three) handtop devices
currently on the market needed and have undergone a rigorous fine-tuning after the design has been established in order to achieve
adequate performance levels of all the components. This type of fine tuning would be difficult to achieve under your proposed
concept.
I would suggest a different route to achieve flexibility - by means of accessories. For example, all of the handop designs really
undermine one of the best ways of information input for their form factor - handwriting. For many people that would be the most
suitable way to input information because it allows to combine easily drawings and diagrams together with text input. The main problem
with handwriting input on these small screens is that once an input window is open, it covers most of what is on the screen, a very
inconvenient situation. That kind of problem can be easily addressed both by OQO and by Sony if they design a hard cover for
their units that contains a sufficiently big handwriting input area. This adds features and flexibilty to an already tested basic
configuration, without compromising any of the original features present. It also, for example, opens the possibility of attaching
an additional battery on the back of the hard cover (for those users who will not mind the extra thickness - we see from the responses to the flipstart design that there are plenty of such users). For example, I think that OQO should make such a hard cover accessory, and have a "slim"
battery avilable (say about half the thickness and capacity of the standard battery of the 02), so that one could have a variety of possible configurartions for their OQO - from the extreme thick configurartion with extended battery both on the OQO and on the cover,
to the slim possibility of simply slim battery on OQO and no hard cover at all :-) (Are you reading this OQO? I will be in the market
for a handtop next Fall, and I would really like to have these options :-).
Just my $.02...
03/11/07
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snowviper
I agree, I was thinking to re-do UX to my want, I also found this pics
link
I believe that I could reduce the size or the current UX to the same size of its screen (the whole screen part).
the only problem that i perceive is the battery.
Currently I try to buy a UX with SSD HDD, I'm looking on the low side of the price.
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GreatDane
Hi all,
Thanks for the comments and ideas.
Hi tchernev,
Nice idea with the hard cover.
I am sure that the implementation of the modular idea will not be easy. It is much like different engine sizes in the same model car, something we take for granted but actually originally was a difficult proposition. I do however believe that technology has advanced to the extent where the concept is possible.
Without splitting hairs, I believe that very concept has been the basis of some extremely successful Laptop designs in the past few years. Choose your basic laptop, select the CPU speed, select the amount of RAM required, the size of the HDD (And how many, in some cases), The type and in some cases number of optical drives, the type of screen, the type of WiFi module, add a TV tuner, select a graphics card, add Bluetooth, battery type etc. The concept above simply takes this idea further to include a different enclosure and keyboard (or lack of one).
The basic idea of a modular core in a very small sized unit has successfully been explored in COM based motherboards, and with the entire PC104 micro stackable board concept, so it is possible. Now what needs to be done is to set up a standard for modular Handtop cores!
03/12/07
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LKay
I like the "modular" idea. If the computer itself was desktop-replacement quality, and at home you could just hook up your printer, keyboard, and flat panel monitor, but if it also had a typable keyboard and the small, attached screen had a zoom function like Flipstart, I could be happy. I also like the OQO's docking station, which puts the screen up to eye level, though I don't know how that would work with the unit's keyboard.
And for me, clamshell is a must. I don't want to schlep a tablet around in my pocket. I had a hard screen cover when I had an Ipaq - I guess that would work as well.
Also, this made-to-order idea might help to control the price factor. For example, I like the Flipstart, generally, but the price is going to keep me away for at least the first version. I don't have $2k to throw at a first effort, with all the bugs it's likely to have, and without any track record for customer care (except the non-existent emails that they promised if you signed up to "be the first to know"), and the FS has a lot of things I really don't care about that probably bump the price.
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tchernev
Hi GreatDane
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Hi GreatDane,
You have a good point there! I agree that technologically it is possible, I just think that it will be very costly to design and troubleshoot to be economically viable at this point.
But, in several more years, if the accumulation of design choices and configurations reaches a point where all the issues that are likely to arise have been encountered and overcome in the individual designs, then we could have a limited move in this direction, I suppose by allowing a choice of CPU, RAM and HDD and desired wireless modules - this is the state at which the laptop market stands right now on average. Changing the size of the screen would most likely be addressed by a totally different line of products, as that will allow, due to the size increase, more choices for CPU etc., just like for laptops these days.
On a another thought, it could be that as soon as there are enough players with enough designs on the market the need for a single company making a highly modular design would become obsolete. (I keep asking myself why don't we have this type of design proliferate in the laptop space... I do not know the answer).
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primaz
You are right the technology is already here, what we lack is the right form factor in order for pocket devices to become powerful useful computers that would be adopted to a larger market share. I personally think there are already enough non keyboard devices and what the market is missing is a keyboard pocket computer. The technology already created from models like the old HP Jornada, Psion 5mx, OQO, UMPC's, etc. already prove that the guts can be small. The problem is the reality is the majority of users prefer a touch type keyboard for input. Yes some will say they prefer pen etc. but that is not the majority and it seems to be the key weakness for big percentages of adoption. It is not really the price of the devices but rather the form factor. The price becomes an issue when the form factor prevents it from being able to be used as potentially someones primary or even sole computer. If it can not do so efficiently then price is an issue as it can not be truely mobile and that efficient.
The article from Mobility Guru on redesigning a modern day Psion to me is what we are missing. There were well over 100+ users creating detail features etc. about their ideal device. I think if computer companies read that and designed a device based on that information then mobile devices would get a huge boost in market share. The key is a keyboard like the Psion 5mx as it was the best keyboard around even today yet it fits in a small size that would fit in any jacket pocket with ease. The other more tech features while important are not as crucial to me as the form factor. If a device does not allow easy input via a touch type keyboard then no matter the price nor features it is just not that useful to use.
I would recommend that people read that article and the many, many posts as I think what you are describing has already been identified. The information may not be summarized in a more of an executive summary style probably needed to be presented to the right companies to design it but maybe that is what could be done here? link
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I really like sony's concept at link.com where you can add or remove hardwares and softwares that you do or don't need. Although you cannot change the overall design, this is a step in the right direction getting towards out goal of fully user's modular design. I believed it may be a bit difficult process with design patent infringement as well but hopefully within 5 years it would be achievable.
Any thought when the technology allows for the Fujitsu p1610 at a reduce dimension to about a 5.6 - 6.5 inch screen? maybe within two years?
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GreatDane
tchernev said: "I keep asking myself why don't we have this type of design proliferate in the laptop space... I do not know the answer"
Hi tchernev
A colleague of mine told me a while back that he is aware of at least two companies in the laptop space that use virtually identical motherboard designs in almost all of their medium to high end Intel Pentium M based laptops. The CPU's, WiFi modules, RAM, Display cards, Bluetooth modules etc are all modular add ons. This helps keep the design, R & D, production and the parts inventory costs down, and simplifies repairs across the range. The Drive and PCMCIA card attachments, as well as casings obviously differ. This is much like using the same motherboard with different CPU's and add on cards in different desktop cases. The problem with laptops in many instances is cooling, and they apparently use a heat pipe (or two) to move the heat from the components to a variety of different cooling solutions based on the requirements of the unit.
I grant you that this solution would be more difficult in the very much more confined space available in a handtop, but it is by no means technically impossible. I do not envisage the core of the unit being user upgradeable, but even that would be possible I suppose. I do see a single core with various options being used in various cases with multiple keyboard options etc.
I have a feeling that the Handtop market has not reached a size that would make such an innovation cost effective, but then it is not as yet large enough to support a multitude of different fixed designs either. Since Handtops are much more personal items than laptops (as I have said before, more akin to cell phones in this regard), there may well be a future market for such an idea, even if it is not used as such in the Laptop space. Cell phone manufacturers often use a similar motherboard design across multiple models with different cases.
Only time will tell if an idea like this one will ever catch on.
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Hi GreatDane,
Good and valid points.
It seems to me we may be putting a slightly different meaning in the phrase "highly modular design". To me your example with the same motherboards on the Pentium M processors is just what you said later - a way to minimize R&D (so that when the latest version of intel's processor comes out, no or minimal main board redesing is required, and it is to be expected from any laptop manufacturer that has any future in the business). This is different from my understanding of a highly modular design, because it would not allow a customer who wishes for an AMD or a VIA or a 64-bit processor in the _same_ model laptop to order one from either of those companies, and expect the same motherboard... (that is _if_ it were actually possible to order these other processors from these companies at all). And each of these processor choices would require not only a different motherboard design, they would require a different heat dissipation system, etc. One can see how the costs are adding up, and that kind of processor choice seems to be what we will need if we are to have multiple CPU choices in a modular handtop design, as each main chip maunfacturer is likely to have only one or two processors that fit a handtop's energy requirements (so there will be no multiple Pentium choices, but rather one or two from Intel, one from AMD, one from VIA, etc...).
I agree entirely that only time will tell how things develop, and I am wholeheartedly rooting for the success of the modular idea!
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primaz
Great Dane,
Iam glad you mentioned form factor but I disagree about the assumption about how your started your discussion, that is that
""Watching the ongoing discussion over form factor and specifications, it is obvious that no one company is ever going to get it even close
to right in the handtop arena to satisfy everyone's needs, never mind likes. Perhaps the entire approach needs to be looked at? "
The problem to me is not so much about specifications on smaller internal components like processor, and features but rather it is the form factor. No company today has a touch type keyboard computer that will fit in your pocket. The current slew of devices are either pen input and or thumb or combinations. There are NO touch type keyboards in a device that is jacket size. That is more of the key issue that prevents the mobile market from growing. Never in the history of mobile devices has anyone created such a device but now the technology is here yet there are no creative designers.
Today these current poor form factors that do not fully match what a large majority of users would want do prove an important aspect. That is that the technology is already there to enable such a device to be made. The problem is there is no device that has a touch type keyboard and will fit in a jacket pocket. Thus these devices become secondary devices or not purchased at all.
Your assumption about the features and enabling users to mix and match I think is not correct nor feasible in such small devices yet. Rather than whay you stated
Maybe the time has arrived where the handtop market has reached the point that it would be possible for the user to design their own “mix and
match” handtop, and order it from a producer?"
I believe what is needed is, Maybe since computer designers are not understanding the form factor, we need to educate them and show them there is a huge market available with no new technology just a better use of exisitng technologies. Everyone I know in the business community would love to have modern day type of Psion device so that they would not need to lug a laptop around. Most like me hate thumb devices and pen input is just not ideal either. We just want a good touch type keyboard built into a computer that will fit into a jacket pocket. The Psion did that but had proprietary OS, etc.
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GreatDane
Hi primaz,
I think we are a little at cross purposes here. The concept that I described is not based on a single form factor, but on a configurable core that can be used in a number of form factors, including a design like the old Psion, or the OQO, or Flipstart, or Sony UX, or U, as well as a whole lot of new designs that nobody has as yet done because the cost of the R & D is to high.
Using a core that can be placed in a variety of shells, with a variety of options, offers a degree of flexibility that has not as yet ever existed in the Handtop, or even the Laptop arenas.
So if such a device core was available, and you wanted a Psion type case and keyboard, and it was not as yet an option, due to the standardized nature of the core, you could probably have one built at a reasonable cost.
I do not believe that the market for individualized units has been adequately explored to date (In fact, I am pretty sure that it has not been explored at all). This is the one way of getting around the problem that you at present find yourself stuck with. You want a certain type of unit that nobody is producing, and nobody seems to be looking at at present. If a modular type core was available, you would be able to do something about it yourself.
Hi tchernev,
I don't think we are actually talking about a different concept at all. I used the analogy of the standard motherboard to illustrate the point, but one could just as easily look at it from the point of view of having a case/screen/keyboard combination that one liked, and selecting one of several standardized core modules to fit in it. The modular concept works both ways as I envisage it, not just a standard core with various cases, but also a variety of different interchangeable cores as well.
The nice thing about such a concept is that the various parts need not all come from one manufacturer, as long as there was an agreed upon standard that everyone worked to.
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primaz
Great Dane,
"I do not believe that the market for individualized units has been adequately explored to date (In fact, I am pretty sure that it has not been explored at all). This is the one way of getting around the problem that you at present find yourself stuck with. You want a certain type of unit that nobody is producing, and nobody seems to be looking at at present. If a modular type core was available, you would be able to do something about it yourself."
I understand what you mean but I do not think that is realistic as there is not even that option in say larger formats such as laptops and trying to make that available in ultra small devices I do not think is practical? What I do agree is what you stated above that the format of a pocket touch type keyboard is not presently addressed and I beleive that segment if adequately provided for can be a market greater than most current thumb type devices.
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