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02/15/07
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anthonyb
Doe anyone know what coming from Tmobile insofar as HSDPA, faster EDGE, etc. ?
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02/19/07
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anthonyb
Ecsk2, my E61 browses at 490X360 which is 320X240 zoomed out to 50 perct zoom. Its not 640X480 but it all works and its a cellphone not a PDA. I see a lot of the webpage.
Tnkgrl, in my analysis of N80 and E61 side by side at the Nokia store, the E61 at 25 prcnt zoomout is equal to the E61 at 50 prcnt zoomout.
02/19/07
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Sorry tnkgrl, the E61 at 50% zoom out is equivalent to the N80 at 25% zoomout. One is portrait and the other is landscape though.
02/19/07
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anthonyb
ecsk2, the picture you have of the E61 browsing doesnt tell the whole story. That picture might be ZOOMED IN 25-50% or it might be default but it definetly is not ZOOMED OUT since zooming out on the large E61 screen lets you see a heck of a lot more than those pictures while still being readable.
As I said earlier, the E61 is affectively 490X360 insofar as I am concerned..
You and your talk about the gigantic E90 alongside (as a companion to) the OQO seems overkill to me.
The OQO, being only 50% larger than the E90, packs 5000% more capability than the E90.
There is so much redundancy with them also.
I would consider an E90 if I were not going with the OQO however its too expensive when you consider the E61 at its low price.
Here is another thing to consider: An OQO at 1499 (plus free docking station) is a much, much better deal than an E90 at the expected 900/1000 price tag. Even for new OQO buyers that will not get the free dock the E90 is just toooo expensive considering what you get for your money.
The E61, on the otherhand, is on $350.
02/19/07
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ecsk2
anthonyb said: "Ecsk2, my E61 browses at 490X360 which is 320X240 zoomed out to 50 perct zoom. Its not 640X480 but it all works and its a cellphone not a PDA. I see a lot of the webpage.
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I don't follow the E61 screen resolution is 320x240, how do you 'browse' at higher res than the LCD is?
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ecsk2
anthonyb said: "Sorry tnkgrl, the E61 at 50% zoom out is equivalent to the N80 at 25% zoomout. One is portrait and the other is landscape though."
What exactly do you mean by 'equivalent' they have different size LCD's with different resolutions.
02/19/07
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ecsk2
anthonyb said: "ecsk2, the picture you have of the E61 browsing doesnt tell the whole story. That picture might be ZOOMED IN 25-50% or it might be default but it definetly is not ZOOMED OUT since zooming out on the large E61 screen lets you see a heck of a lot more than those pictures while still being readable. "
I used the first picture I found to try to with a picture rather than words express what I was trying to point out which is pixels, with less pixels you have more limitations (why I am not happy with any of the WM phones with qwerty keyboards right now as the all exc one have QVGA).
Less pixels is less pixels though, zoomed out or not.
anthonyb said: "
As I said earlier, the E61 is affectively 490X360 insofar as I am concerned.."
How exactly do you increase the physical pixel qty!?
anthonyb said: "
You and your talk about the gigantic E90 alongside (as a companion to) the OQO seems overkill to me.
The OQO, being only 50% larger than the E90, packs 5000% more capability than the E90.
There is so much redundancy with them also. .."
VERY TRUE, but as I have so many times pointed out, when you can only use that "5000%" more capability for 2.5hrs in reality
it looses it's value!
Trust me, if the OQO could do at least SIX hours of work with wireless on (WLAN or WWAN) I would already have ordered one and would not be posting here about any PDA's or phones. That is the main reason for me looking at PDAs secondly the instant/constant on possibility.
As for the E90 it's not really that much larger only more of a laptop layout than "Treo" layout and a matter of taste.
3D size comparision E90 vs E61 link
The E90 has the very same resolution screen as your E61 on the external screen btw.
anthonyb said: "
I would consider an E90 if I were not going with the OQO however its too expensive when you consider the E61 at its low price.
Here is another thing to consider: An OQO at 1499 (plus free docking station) is a much, much better deal than an E90 at the expected 900/1000 price tag. Even for new OQO buyers that will not get the free dock the E90 is just toooo expensive considering what you get for your money.
The E61, on the otherhand, is on $350."
Well in my opinion you can't comapare the base priced OQO with the E90 due to the fact that WWAN is not included in that OQO price, and again the battery time is what really gets to me (I've owned 01 and 01+'s) other than that I love the OQO and form factor! Why else would I be here in the OQO forum and talking about all kinds of OT stuff 
02/19/07
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ecsk2
anthonyb said: "Use any phone you like. I wanted to make you aware of Tzones. The E61 is the best browser capabilities than any other phone on the market.
Here is a quick how-to on E61 and Skype: link It works great on the E61.
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So you subscribe to this 3rd party service?
02/19/07
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anthonyb
The Nokia browser has a zoom in and a zoom out feature.
When you start the browser you see 320X240. However, since the E61 has such a large screen, you can get the browser to always display webpages zoomed out by 50%. This in effect increases the resolution tremendously while still being very, very reabale.
I tried the E70 and N80 at the Nokia Store in Chicago and neither of these provides the internet experience of the E61. The screens are just too small.
02/19/07
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anthonyb
I am done with this thread. I have work to do.
Follow your dreams.
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ecsk2
anthonyb said: "The Nokia browser has a zoom in and a zoom out feature.
When you start the browser you see 320X240. However, since the E61 has such a large screen, you can get the browser to always display webpages zoomed out by 50%. This in effect increases the resolution tremendously while still being very, very reabale."
The E61 screen physical size is 56 x 42 mm the VGA pda 3.7" screen I have now has a physical screen size of 75 x 55 mm in the range of the N800. In a few months there will be similair display equipped phones, that's what I'm waiting for now.
The N800 (N770) truely makes for a nice browsing experience, and the E90 is said to give a similair experience in performance, but I have started to have my doubts due to the lack of height of it.
I understand that you can zoom out but since this will not increase the resolution at the same time you will run into the issues discussed here with pictures I posted when trying to run more res on VGA WM devices link you are still restricted to the physical resolution. I am suprised they gave the E61 less resolution than the E70 and N80 
The zoom you are refering to is the same as performing zoom on a copier, it won't increase the resolution.
anthonyb said: "
I tried the E70 and N80 at the Nokia Store in Chicago and neither of these provides the internet experience of the E61. The screens are just too small."
VERY TRUE! I feel I've replied to this sentance before 
02/19/07
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anthonyb said: "I am done with this thread. I have work to do.
Follow your dreams."
That's what's nice about emails and online stuff you can ignore it when you don't have time 
Dreams? AFAIK I have only posted facts and numbers 
02/19/07
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ecsk2
Since the thread topic is HSDPA (and Tmo) I thought I might be "able" to post this here:
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This would cover what I "need" for now, the ability to do what I want with WM (yes inferior to Symbian and Linux, I know!) it has 800x480 resolution and 4.1 screen, even though the Sidekicks (made by the same Sharp ppl...) is a Tmo device I doubt this will ever reach Tmo nor it having even Cingular HSDPA frequenices, but I guess in this case I AM dreaming, I'd settle for this device even with EGPRS, but I don't know if the screen cant rotate? It should be able to with WM5 (which the resolution makes it look like it should be WM6?) also the 4 hour usage time is a bit short but then again I have to say I am pleased that they use USAGE time and not standby numbers...
Specs: link
02/19/07
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ecsk2
HSDPA non European frequencies, is it really this simple:
"Basically, it's a new software load on the existing BaseStation side to upgrade from 3G to 3.5G (UMTS Release 99 to UMTS release 5 or 6 based on 3GPP stds). All the Mobiles (UE) have to support is the Technology and the frequency band. So all that Nokia have to do, is release phones with tunable chips (software controlled), which are widely available and ready from manfucturers such as Qualcomm & TI."
Some post here:
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02/20/07
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ecsk2
tnkgrl said: "*anthonyb*, thanks for the Skype and PDF+ links above... I'll try them on my N80! "
As I thought the Skype thing is only UK based usage...
02/20/07
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ecsk2
Reply from this thread:
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tnkgrl said: "AFAIK, UMTS in Japan is compatible with UMTS in Europe (2100 MHz) ... I guess Japan is planning to use the 1700 MHz band - so maybe (just maybe), since T-Mobile USA is planning to implement HSDPA using 2100/1700 MHz bands, the two will be compatible and we'll be able import sme poens from Japan (although the lack of base GSM support may be a problem)!"
Yeah one could hope Tmo would jump on this Sharp made device (like the Sidekick Tmo carries made by Sharp, or maybe just because of SK they can't? )
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Flash movie thing: link (see all buttons below device or click on the lcd of the device)
More on the device: link
Looks like the same trackball solution as the Sharp made SK3?
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Now as for the OS being Japanese it seems that could be hacked based on these W-ZERO3 successes?
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All in all I really like the whole format, has WM (which does what I need) a decent screen, qwerty (5row) keyboard, I find it a tad odd
they almost HIDE the fact that you can use the screen as a "normal" PDA this is the only picture I see it in link
I really like this device, I hope we could get something like this for the mainstream world market!!
Why do JP get all the goodies?? 
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