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Apple announces third-party software details for iPhone


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ecsk2 said: "
educationk12 said: "The Safari browser makes entering text a million times easier than WM6."


WM6 is an OS though not a browser like Safari, so are you refering to IE perhaps? We all know(?) that MS on PDA/Phones is one of the worst when it comes to userfriendlyness, as for browsers if you DO use a WM device try OPERA MOBILE! Now as for userfriendlyness in general see Sidekick and Symbian setups, nothing is as horrible as MS.

If they now would actually get the screen to be REAL VGA 640x480 (which the Dell PDA has back in 2004) then we could consider it as something well up to date of 2004, now we would expect WVGA like 800x480, and a FULL QWERTY keyboard and full compatibility to add ANY compatible 3rd party software."


Nod, yes I mean WM5/6 browser applications. I've used recent versions of Opera Mobile and while it is better than IE mobile, it's the lack of scaling that is one of the things that make the Safari browser outstanding, which clearly must be a 10.5 leopard feature not yet released on apple computers or so I have read it is, which is great news for my monitors as the number one complaint is the difficulty in reading text at 204ppi as OSX 10.4 and XP/Vista does a horrible job at scaling. That is a big reason why I may buy a MBP (combined with the WUXGA resolution, yet I wish they offered it on the 15.4" instead of the mega 17" along with the hard to find dual-link dvi port)...the fact that 10.5 will likely be the first OS to scale well, it is icing on the cake. The next version of Windows will incorporate scaling...so they say. Yes, I agree about high resolution. Sanyo currently has a 2.6" 800x480 display which is marketed towards phones, therfore giving full 480p on the phone...so long as the scaling is in place then the text should be readable. However, your comparison to the current 640x480 screens...well, they would make the iphone thicker and slightly bigger. And I have to say going from the VERY common 240x320 to 480x320 is a huge leap forward. The fact that you can turn the phone sideways to surf the internet and watch videos is great as most smartphones are vertical with poor scaling software thus tons of scrolling and too narrow of resolution to display anything.
 

*educationk12*, read the post on my blog again. I mentioned that I purposely created a completely new AT&T account with a new phone number... So my existing AT&T SIM still works just fine with its original phone number in all my devices (except my iPhone)!

Not only is the iPhone locked to the network (AT&T), it is also locked to the SIM used during activation. And yes, my iPhone SIM works with all my devices, including my OQO (at full HSDPA speeds, of course).

Did you even read the post on my blog?

I temporarily have 2 AT&T accounts, but my existing AT&T account is contract free, so I can cancel it soon without penalty. As for the different phone number on my iPhone, I don't really care since my main phone number is with T-Mobile

educationk12 said: "[quote=ecsk2][quote=educationk12]Yes, I agree about high resolution. Sanyo currently has a 2.6" 800x480 display which is marketed towards phones, therfore giving full 480p on the phone...so long as the scaling is in place then the text should be readable. However, your comparison to the current 640x480 screens...well, they would make the iphone thicker and slightly bigger. And I have to say going from the VERY common 240x320 to 480x320 is a huge leap forward. The fact that you can turn the phone sideways to surf the internet and watch videos is great as most smartphones are vertical with poor scaling software thus tons of scrolling and too narrow of resolution to display anything."


VGA would make it wider yes like the Dell v51v but they are the same thickness! Better would be 800x480, but yes you beed to be in the 3.5-4 at least with that kind of resolution to have any real "use" of it. QVGA I consider as pure crap and being cheated when you buy the several hundred dollar devices out there some with decent SIZE screens but still QVGA. I jusy don't like that they only went to HVGA on the iPhone, but I also am a realist and believe Apple will followup (all too quickly for those with an iPhone now) with a new iPhone like they did with the iPods a few years back.

I am not at all disliking that someone did something revolutionary with the UI and browser like the iPhone, it is ABOUT TIME, my comments are merly to help/assist to get the best out of an MS device for anyone who indeed uses one.
 

tnkgrl said: "
Not only is the iPhone locked to the network (AT&T), it is also locked to the SIM used during activation. And yes, my iPhone SIM works with all my devices, including my OQO (at full HSDPA speeds, of course)."


So it turns out to be JUST like on the Sidekicks, just as I had expected and I posted back in January:

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ecsk2 said: "
Yes naturally the phone should work on any GSM network (if unlocked) but the internet, emails and/or google map functions could very well be through a server backend specific to Cingular or Apple in conjunction with Cingular, just like Danger and Tmobile does with the Sidekick, every single email goes through a server at Danger Palo Alto Ca. "


tnkgrl said: "
As I said, from all accounts so far, there is no indication that the iPhone will force you into any non-standard server/network-side services other than "visual voice mail"... That's the consensus amongst most tech bloggers! Don't forget that the iPhone will eventually be sold for other carriers than Cingular and in other countries than the US - it's not in Apple's best interest to force carriers to adopt new (costly) server/network-side features.

All GSM phones can be unlocked - it's just a matter of time and resources."


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tnkgrl said: "
Did you even read the post on my blog?."


*I* did (and linked to it at a couple places) that's why I was asking what your (DIS)LIKES to know what made you decide its a keeper.
 

I wanted to just add, a little note, havign watched some of the videos I saw. The volume button when in landscape mode will be like backwards.
Pressing on the RIGHT end then will turn volume DOWN
 

*ecsk2*, my question ("Did you even read the post on my blog?") was not addressed at you...

Well, the big difference between the iPhone and the Sidekick/BlackBerry from a network perspective is that iPhone uses standard EDGE and WiFi for data, whereas the Sidekick requires special servers to cache and compress data and BlackBerry requires special servers to push some data!

The iPhone data plans are essentially the same as the existing AT&T Media Max data plans and are cheaper than similar Sidekick and Blackberry plans. So, should the iPhone be unlocked someday (even just within the AT&T network), any regular Media Max data plans should work

ecsk2 said: "
educationk12 said: "[quote=ecsk2][quote=educationk12]Yes, I agree about high resolution. Sanyo currently has a 2.6" 800x480 display which is marketed towards phones, therfore giving full 480p on the phone...so long as the scaling is in place then the text should be readable. However, your comparison to the current 640x480 screens...well, they would make the iphone thicker and slightly bigger. And I have to say going from the VERY common 240x320 to 480x320 is a huge leap forward. The fact that you can turn the phone sideways to surf the internet and watch videos is great as most smartphones are vertical with poor scaling software thus tons of scrolling and too narrow of resolution to display anything."


VGA would make it wider yes like the Dell v51v but they are the same thickness! Better would be 800x480, but yes you beed to be in the 3.5-4 at least with that kind of resolution to have any real "use" of it. QVGA I consider as pure crap and being cheated when you buy the several hundred dollar devices out there some with decent SIZE screens but still QVGA. I jusy don't like that they only went to HVGA on the iPhone, but I also am a realist and believe Apple will followup (all too quickly for those with an iPhone now) with a new iPhone like they did with the iPods a few years back.

I am not at all disliking that someone did something revolutionary with the UI and browser like the iPhone, it is ABOUT TIME, my comments are merly to help/assist to get the best out of an MS device for anyone who indeed uses one."


An 800x480 2.6" display would be perfectly readable IF the software scaled for it. It's the poor scaling software that makes high resolution displays difficult to read. Yes, it is ABOUT TIME someone finally got it right! The reason I say it would be thicker is the Dell is not a cell phone, so you have to incorporate all of the cell phone chips and possibly a cell phone graphics chip such as the mobile nvidias as you'd need more graphics power to power a high res display otherwise you'd slow the speed of the phone down and it would affect battery life negatively. I think people are more concerned about battery life than they are resolution, so I don't know but definitely 480x320 is useable whereas QVGA is not.
 

tnkgrl said: "*educationk12*, read the post on my blog again. I mentioned that I purposely created a completely new AT&T account with a new phone number... So my existing AT&T SIM still works just fine with its original phone number in all my devices (except my iPhone)!

Not only is the iPhone locked to the network (AT&T), it is also locked to the SIM used during activation. And yes, my iPhone SIM works with all my devices, including my OQO (at full HSDPA speeds, of course).

Did you even read the post on my blog?

I temporarily have 2 AT&T accounts, but my existing AT&T account is contract free, so I can cancel it soon without penalty. As for the different phone number on my iPhone, I don't really care since my main phone number is with T-Mobile "


I misunderstood your blog, but not due to your writing. I had not slept well for weeks and the last two days I've been on zero sleep thanks to the iphone, so my cognition skills are rather low. I've been at Yale Hospital with a friend who has a serious head injury, so I'm not quite all there. Thanks for the response to the sim card question. I purchased a MC8775V today, so whenever that arrives I'll be scanning your blog with a fine comb. ;o)
 
*educationk12*, I hope you get some sleep and your friend is OK.

Did you buy the MC8775V from Premier (the Sierra Wireless OEM integrator) like I did? If not, where did you buy it?

I hope so too. It seems they have fixed everything except he has an unusually high INR and they don't know what to do. The normal range for INR is 0.8 to 1.2 and his was at 9, which means he is lucky to still be breathing. Currently it is at 5 which is still dangerously high.

I was under the impression that Premier Wireless Solutions would not sell to the public, and that you were able to get your chip because you knew someone. But if I misunderstood that then let me know. I don't know anybody, so I bought a flybook, which I plan to take the chip out of the flybook and put it in the OQO. I'd much rather keep the chip in the flybook and just buy the MC8775V from Premier if that is possible.
 

tnkgrl said: "*ecsk2*, my question ("Did you even read the post on my blog?") was not addressed at you...

Well, the big difference between the iPhone and the Sidekick/BlackBerry from a network perspective is that iPhone uses standard EDGE and WiFi for data, whereas the Sidekick requires special servers to cache and compress data and BlackBerry requires special servers to push some data!

The iPhone data plans are essentially the same as the existing AT&T Media Max data plans and are cheaper than similar Sidekick and Blackberry plans. So, should the iPhone be unlocked someday (even just within the AT&T network), any regular Media Max data plans should work "


The SK unlimited data has been $20 from day one, that's $20 on top of a voiceplan, but you also have the option of DATA ONLY for $29.99 also unlimited, so thats more than the data plan with the iPhone?

I have never had a BB nor much of interest, the Sidekick also uses EDGE, and yes processes the info to make it as viewable as possible on the SK screen, the fact that only the at&t simcard that gets activated in the iPhone indicates that the iPhone is related to the activated account (read simcard) only. I predict that once the contracts run out and all such you will be able to just as on the SK change the iPhone package to another simcard but not that "any" card would work, nor do I believe it will work the same on Tmo ever.
 

educationk12 said: "
An 800x480 2.6" display would be perfectly readable IF the software scaled for it. It's the poor scaling software that makes high resolution displays difficult to read. Yes, it is ABOUT TIME someone finally got it right! The reason I say it would be thicker is the Dell is not a cell phone, so you have to incorporate all of the cell phone chips and possibly a cell phone graphics chip such as the mobile nvidias as you'd need more graphics power to power a high res display otherwise you'd slow the speed of the phone down and it would affect battery life negatively. I think people are more concerned about battery life than they are resolution, so I don't know but definitely 480x320 is useable whereas QVGA is not."


I fully agree on the QVGA and especially after you've used VGA on some mobile device it's very hard to use QVGA again.

As for the HVGA (iPhone) its more or less the same as having QVGA on a smartphone (which many times has LCD/KEYBOARD 50/50% of the front) since the iPhone uses the whole front side as screen, yes there are some slideout (and no keyboard) WM phones also, but they are REALLY crummy resolution when the screen becomes in the 3" with QVGA!

On the WVGA on a 3" I have to say I don't agree on that, you really need close to 4" for VGA and better (5" or so?) for WVGA otherwise you will need to ZOOM for browsing the web, or you'll def be straining your eyes.

BTW 800x480 is OQO 02's std resolution (right?) and that's a 5" , I strongly believe you shouldn't go under 4" on WVGA.
 

The oqo will do up to 1200x720 interpolated, which it does quite nicely compared to products such as the Q1. I keep my oqo at WXGA at all times.

As for QVGA being more or less the same as HVGA on the iPhone. My only advice is to use an iPhone. It's not about it being just double the resolution, it is how the operating system and applications for the phone were designed. The scaling is incredible. If you still can make that statement after using an iPhone, then point me to a QVGA device that is similar. It's apples and oranges...no comparison. High resolution is very important to me as well. I have many 22" monitors with 3840x2400 resolution (204ppi), yet I would take a very functional iPhone over alll the dysfunctional higher resolution phones. All that coming from someone who the only Apple product they have ever bought before was the first generation iPod.

Plus most phones view webpages with 240 pixels wide. The iPhone allows you to flip the phone horizontally to view it at 480 wide, but it's more about the OS and Apps than just resolution. But I do agree with you, it would be nice to have a VGA or WVGA resolution...but that's just not going to happen with a functional OS/apps until years later. Apple hardware has historically (up until the past month) been anti-high pixels per square inch as they have propose 100ppi as being the perfect number, yet lately they are starting to change that perspective with the higher resolution MacBook Pro WUXGA (however don't think for a second that is because they want higher ppi, but more because of 1080 HD video viewing, graphics people wanted a powerful card and the 7 series offered that yet lacked the DL for high resolution external monitors but I wonder if they'd do that if they didn't offer the 30" display) and the 160ppi iPhone (And that is primarily because it's obvious to anyone who has ever used a QVGA phone how difficult it is to view webpages). And they are the only company that has put dual-link DVI in their notebooks (even long before the 30" apple display was released). 99 percent of notebooks lack that feature and many are still using prehistoric VGA when there have been DVI to VGA adapters for years while others are foolishly putting HDMI 1.2 in replacement of dual-link DVI rather than the higher bandwidth 1.3 DL-HDMI. We have many years to come before high resolution is valued and it will all begin with Leopard 1.5 scaling and the next generation of Windows (the one after vista). Right now the current OS operating systems stink so badly at scaling, that when people who are use to 80 to 100ppi look at at higher ppi screen, they can't function and it's the dysfunctional OS that is to blame which leads to dysfunctional application designs. We are years away...all the VGA phones out there are only for mobile enthusiasts who don't mind being tortured by the OS/apps.

Oh, another thing...Apple was so dedicated to dual-link dvi (twice the bandwidth specifically for high resolution monitors) that they did not update the MacBook Pro graphics card for a year because nobody had come out with a dual-link graphics card. Nvidia's entire 7 series and below notebook graphic cards lacked the DL. So the X1600 was reallly the best card...and Apple buyers are really into graphics, so they got a lot of heat over this but they stuck through it until they could put the recent 8600 card in there which is dual-link. They've had DL before 30" monitors were even a concept. I have to give them props for that...Dell and HP and Samsung...the three other companies that sell 30" monitors at 2560x1600 don't even sell a DL notebook. The only other company that does is Acer and Asus. HP is coming out with DL notebooks soon, but it'll have a VGA on teh notebook...it'll only be DL if you use the advanced docking station. But now that most of the 8 series cards
have dual-link, you'll see more notebooks with it, so pretty much it was more Nvidia's fault. Yet now HDMI is becoming a standard and they will al lack the DL-HDMI as it's a bigger size with more pins than the standard HDMI of most television sets (and TV is what is driving HDMI)...so the battle continues with high resolution. In conclusion, it's not going to happen until years later...it'll take the next generation of OS to come out then all then better applications and then the hardware will follow because slowly people will realize that high resolution actually is more useful.

Sony PS3 however does have the HDMI 1.3, but if I recall it's 1.3a and not the 1.3b....1.3b is dual-link which manufacturers won't use for years to come. So what I am trying to say is that while you and I see the value to VGA in a phone, the consumer avoids it due to the poor OS/apps, they use the device and realize the text is tiny and hard to read. This creates very little demand for high resolution.

The things that drive graphics are gaming and television/movies...not text. That's why there are 1920x1200 notebooks and not 2048x1536....NEC sold a 15" notebook with that super high resolution for a few months. I imagine they got a lot of complaints and returns as the current OS is awful in scaling. Plus they were so overpriced as making such a minimally produced screen was costly. But every notebooks processor is capable of pushing that resolution, but it's not good for gaming and it's not helpful for HD, so it's that's why nobody offers such. Instead if you want high resolution for text, you are forced to buy a huge 30" screen which will make you move your head up and down and left and right. I had a Dell 30"...I used it for two hours and decided it was too much for viewing at a desk...too much head motion...100ppi sucks. It's a very slow and gradual process and the only thing that will help phones is the fact that most webpages are best viewed on a computer at a minimum of 1024 wide, yet with great scaling you can view it quite nicely at 480 wide which is what Apple has done. 640 and 800 would be nice, too.
 

lol, that was a lot of rambling...sry, I tend to get carried away at times. ;o)
 

educationk12 said: "
As for QVGA being more or less the same as HVGA on the iPhone. My only advice is to use an iPhone. It's not about it being just double the resolution,"


My point is that its NOT really double the resolution, because MOST QVGA phones have only HALF of the front dedicated for the LCD hence QVG+QVGA=HVGA (1/4 VGA + 1/4 VGA = 1/2 VGA) because if you look at ANY of the FULL SCREEN FRONT QVGA phones you will see it is so grainy that its just horrible!


educationk12 said: "
it is how the operating system and applications for the phone were designed. The scaling is incredible. If you still can make that statement after using an iPhone, then point me to a QVGA device that is similar.. It's apples and oranges...no comparison."


Resolution is still resolution, there is just so much you can do virtually with software, that is just like the WM "text improving" so called ClearType it does remove some of the rouch edges but also makes the whole text look like its out of focus.

I have no problem acknowledging that the iPhone is in a class by itself, in fact I have myself in a number of forums made the same statement about it being Apples and Oranges and then refering to how the iPhone is NOT really expensive see for instance here:
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But still I think they should've gone with VGA or better yet WVGA especially since they are promoting to use the iPhone to watch movies.

educationk12 said: "
High resolution is very important to me as well. I have many 22" monitors with 3840x2400 resolution (204ppi), yet I would take a very functional iPhone over alll the dysfunctional higher resolution phones. All that coming from someone who the only Apple product they have ever bought before was the first generation iPod. ."


Of course, thats one of the reasons I am "stuck" with the Sidekick despite its pitiful resolution, because the things it's capable of email, IMs, internet it does very well and parallel at that!

Obviously I wouldn't be involved with this topic unless my interest would be there (for the iPhone that is)

educationk12 said: "
Plus most phones view webpages with 240 pixels wide.The iPhone allows you to flip the phone horizontally to view it at 480 wide, but it's more about the OS and Apps than just resolution.The iPhone allows you to flip the phone horizontally to view it at 480 wide, but it's more about the OS and Apps than just resolution."


I am not following at all now! The smartphones do 320 width, and the PocketPC phones you can use which ever way you want, and the slideout keyboard ones will in just about all of the cases "force" you to use the landscape mode when you slide out the keyboard, and that would then be anything from 320 to 800 pixels (currently there are 320, 480 and 800).

I believe you are comparing the iPhone to FULL FRONT SCREEN WM phones, which I don't like specifically because the resolution becomes even worse, if we are talking about the QVGA ones, there are a few exceptions like the HTC Universal, HTC x7500 (both VGA) and the Sharp EM One and Toshiba G900 (both WVGA), those are the only ones I even consider as "usable" WM phones with full front screens, ok yes there are a couple of E-TEN's coming out now too. Either way I will never buy another QVGA all front LCD phone!

Silly but true you can even flip to "landscape" mode on the 240x240 Treos for what purpose? I do not know

I am not sure what Windows phone you would be talking about that would run 240 width and wouldn't be able to flip to landscape!?

educationk12 said: "
But I do agree with you, it would be nice to have a VGA or WVGA resolution...but that's just not going to happen with a functional OS/apps until years later. "


Not sure what you are talking about? But here are current WVGA devices either released or about to (exclude the few non PDA/non phones)
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And then VGA ones (thats DOUBLE the iPhone resolution)
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educationk12 said: "
Apple hardware has historically (up until the past month)."


I have little knowledge about Apple and resolution, never really owned any Apple products, but by no means avoiding it!
 

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